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(September 19, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: I have evidence, evidence from God and plenty of it. Because you refuse to accept the evidence doesn't mean it's not real evidence.
Okay, I'll bite: what evidence you got, GC?
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September 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm (This post was last modified: September 20, 2013 at 3:24 pm by Godscreated.)
(September 20, 2013 at 1:45 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:
(September 20, 2013 at 1:12 am)Godschild Wrote: God did demonstrate He's real.
GC
You say you have lots of evidence that can demonstrated? Then hesitate in showing us? I seek truth, and would humbly request you show this evidence expediently.
I could demonstrate it, you wouldn't except is though so I want waste your time.
GC
(September 20, 2013 at 2:38 am)Beta Ray Bill Wrote:
(September 20, 2013 at 1:12 am)Godschild Wrote:
God did demonstrate He's real.
GC
A lot of Christians either:
1) Demand evidence of your beliefs
2) Say there is plenty of evidence for their beliefs
But, when push comes to shove:
1) They tell you your evidence is wrong
a) Because your beliefs are aren't acceptable
b) Because you misquoted the Bible
2) They fail to provide evidence
a) Because they don't know any
b) Because there isn't any
The last time I debated an Orthodox Christian, he demanded time and again that I provide evidence of what I claimed. But when a great deal of my evidence came from the Bible, he screamed at me that I couldn't quote scripture to debate him. Huh? The Bible is the greatest weapon an atheist has to show truths to a Christian, and is a Christian's greatest weakness. Deep down, they know it. But they don't want to admit it.
I have all the reasons in the world to trust scripture, the way you twist scriptures around is dishonest and actually reminds me of Satan's tricks.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(September 20, 2013 at 1:45 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: You say you have lots of evidence that can demonstrated? Then hesitate in showing us? I seek truth, and would humbly request you show this evidence expediently.
I could demonstrate it, you wouldn't except is though so I want waste your time.
GC
(September 20, 2013 at 2:38 am)Beta Ray Bill Wrote:
A lot of Christians either:
1) Demand evidence of your beliefs
2) Say there is plenty of evidence for their beliefs
But, when push comes to shove:
1) They tell you your evidence is wrong
a) Because your beliefs are aren't acceptable
b) Because you misquoted the Bible
2) They fail to provide evidence
a) Because they don't know any
b) Because there isn't any
The last time I debated an Orthodox Christian, he demanded time and again that I provide evidence of what I claimed. But when a great deal of my evidence came from the Bible, he screamed at me that I couldn't quote scripture to debate him. Huh? The Bible is the greatest weapon an atheist has to show truths to a Christian, and is a Christian's greatest weakness. Deep down, they know it. But they don't want to admit it.
I have all the reasons in the world to trust scripture, the way you twist scriptures around is dishonest and actually reminds me of Satan's tricks.
GC
But how can you know that the god of the bible is not Satan and that it is really not the devil that speaks to you, convincing you that he is god? Infact the god of the bible often sounds petty and and angry, demanding sacrifice and worship. since we are made in god's image I want you to imagine something, first imagine the most perfect person you can, then the most evil. Now tell me which one demands to be worshiped?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
(September 20, 2013 at 3:42 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:
(September 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm)Godschild Wrote:
I could demonstrate it, you wouldn't except is though so I want waste your time.
GC
I have all the reasons in the world to trust scripture, the way you twist scriptures around is dishonest and actually reminds me of Satan's tricks.
GC
But how can you know that the god of the bible is not Satan and that it is really not the devil that speaks to you, convincing you that he is god? Infact the god of the bible often sounds petty and and angry, demanding sacrifice and worship. since we are made in god's image I want you to imagine something, first imagine the most perfect person you can, then the most evil. Now tell me which one demands to be worshiped?
How does a house divided against itself stand, what could Satan possibly accomplish for himself by teaching me the love, peace, compassion, truth and ect. of God through God's Holy Word. How is it to Satan's advantage to teach me about the saving grace of Christ, or pray to God and ask God the creator for advice and help. Seems to me Satan would be shooting himself in the foot, backing his play in a way that would go against him. I for one do not believe a being with the intelligence of Satan would commit such stupid things or even think it would work.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(September 20, 2013 at 3:42 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: But how can you know that the god of the bible is not Satan and that it is really not the devil that speaks to you, convincing you that he is god? Infact the god of the bible often sounds petty and and angry, demanding sacrifice and worship. since we are made in god's image I want you to imagine something, first imagine the most perfect person you can, then the most evil. Now tell me which one demands to be worshiped?
How does a house divided against itself stand, what could Satan possibly accomplish for himself by teaching me the love, peace, compassion, truth and ect. of God through God's Holy Word. How is it to Satan's advantage to teach me about the saving grace of Christ, or pray to God and ask God the creator for advice and help. Seems to me Satan would be shooting himself in the foot, backing his play in a way that would go against him. I for one do not believe a being with the intelligence of Satan would commit such stupid things or even think it would work.
GC
Except for your worshiping Satan instead of the real god, a god that will burn you in hell for worshiping his enemy.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
(September 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: I have all the reasons in the world to trust scripture, the way you twist scriptures around is dishonest and actually reminds me of Satan's tricks.
GC
WOW! I've never been called Satan before! Neat!
But honestly, GC, I'm not perfect, but I always quote scripture as honestly as I can and in the right context. Maybe you think I'm twisting it because you just don't want to agree with it?
And if you want to see why we think God is evil, just re-read the OT. I'm not quoting or twisting scripture, just suggesting that you take note of how many people are killed by God, and especially FOR God.
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
- Buddha
"Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it."
- Dennis McKinsey
(September 20, 2013 at 3:42 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: But how can you know that the god of the bible is not Satan and that it is really not the devil that speaks to you, convincing you that he is god? Infact the god of the bible often sounds petty and and angry, demanding sacrifice and worship. since we are made in god's image I want you to imagine something, first imagine the most perfect person you can, then the most evil. Now tell me which one demands to be worshiped?
How does a house divided against itself stand, what could Satan possibly accomplish for himself by teaching me the love, peace, compassion, truth and ect. of God through God's Holy Word. How is it to Satan's advantage to teach me about the saving grace of Christ, or pray to God and ask God the creator for advice and help. Seems to me Satan would be shooting himself in the foot, backing his play in a way that would go against him. I for one do not believe a being with the intelligence of Satan would commit such stupid things or even think it would work.
GC
This is of course assuming the god you believe in is not the one described in the Bible, but you insist that it is. However, this was a decent response. Now prove this good god of yours is real, and then maybe we can continue.
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GC
