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RE: A question for Theists, especially YEC
October 6, 2013 at 11:38 am
(October 6, 2013 at 8:02 am)enrico Wrote: (October 5, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Lets say evolution is proven completely wrong. now prove creationism in the same scientific method as any other theory, OK?
Creationism and evolution go hand in hand.
The cosmic mind create the meccano pieces (space, air, light, water, matter) and by instinct these pieces tend to go back where originally come from which is the mind of the creator and this way to go back and put all pieces together is call evolution.
In other word both religion and atheism got only half of the equation.
That's a interesting proposition, is there any evidence to back it up?
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RE: A question for Theists, especially YEC
October 6, 2013 at 3:41 pm
(October 6, 2013 at 9:31 am)Rahul Wrote: Every time I read your posts it makes me want to trip on some shrooms and watch some weird movie.
Hmm...it makes me think of severe head injuries.
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RE: A question for Theists, especially YEC
October 6, 2013 at 4:17 pm
(October 6, 2013 at 8:02 am)enrico Wrote: (October 5, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Lets say evolution is proven completely wrong. now prove creationism in the same scientific method as any other theory, OK?
Creationism and evolution go hand in hand.
The cosmic mind create the meccano pieces (space, air, light, water, matter) and by instinct these pieces tend to go back where originally come from which is the mind of the creator and this way to go back and put all pieces together is call evolution.
In other word both religion and atheism got only half of the equation.
Thats quite a claim enrico. Got any verifiable evidence to back it up? also could you show how it could be falsified?
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RE: A question for Theists, especially YEC
October 7, 2013 at 8:30 am
(October 6, 2013 at 4:17 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Thats quite a claim enrico. Got any verifiable evidence to back it up? also could you show how it could be falsified?
Just look at yourself.
You got the same elements that compose this universe (matter, water, heat, air, space) and also you got a mind that allow you to go back where you come from and that happen when you complete the full circle.
From pure mind to matter and from matter back to pure mind.
How do you know?
By doing something by expanding your consciousness.
On the other hand if you guys feel like Rahul that.... ..want to trip on some shrooms and watch some weird movie............then you will never understand how the system works.
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RE: A question for Theists, especially YEC
October 7, 2013 at 11:18 am
Seems like every time a creationist tries to "prove" creationism, it's a combination of attacks on evolution and argument from design.
Our latest brain-dead fundie creationist troll/poe SavedByGrace is ample evidence of this. First, attack evolution/abiogenesis, then claim that the complex design of living things prove that biblical creationism is the only other answer. When pressed on evidence or details of how God created the entire universe from nothing, remain silent or else claim that God is unknowable.
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RE: A question for Theists, especially YEC
October 7, 2013 at 11:24 am
(October 7, 2013 at 8:30 am)enrico Wrote: You got the same elements that compose this universe (matter, water, heat, air, space)
Just to be a pedant for a minute but most of those are matter and the other is the agitation of matter.
space is either an absence of matter or another sort of matter depending on how you look at it.
Its a bit like saying "I'm listing all the food groups": Milk, cheese, yogurt and melting.
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RE: A question for Theists, especially YEC
October 7, 2013 at 11:39 am
(October 6, 2013 at 9:31 am)Rahul Wrote: (October 6, 2013 at 8:02 am)enrico Wrote: Creationism and evolution go hand in hand.
The cosmic mind create the meccano pieces (space, air, light, water, matter) and by instinct these pieces tend to go back where originally come from which is the mind of the creator and this way to go back and put all pieces together is call evolution.
In other word both religion and atheism got only half of the equation.
Every time I read your posts it makes me want to trip on some shrooms and watch some weird movie.
Every time I read one of his posts, it feels like I'm already tripping on shrooms and watching a weird movie.
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RE: A question for Theists, especially YEC
October 7, 2013 at 2:13 pm
(October 7, 2013 at 8:30 am)enrico Wrote: (October 6, 2013 at 4:17 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Thats quite a claim enrico. Got any verifiable evidence to back it up? also could you show how it could be falsified?
Just look at yourself.
You got the same elements that compose this universe (matter, water, heat, air, space) and also you got a mind that allow you to go back where you come from and that happen when you complete the full circle.
From pure mind to matter and from matter back to pure mind.
How do you know?
By doing something by expanding your consciousness.
On the other hand if you guys feel like Rahul that......want to trip on some shrooms and watch some weird movie............then you will never understand how the system works. Allow mW to rephrase. You claim a cosmic mind designed the universe. Where is the evidence for this, and the falsifiability of what you proposed
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Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
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RE: A question for Theists, especially YEC
October 7, 2013 at 4:49 pm
(October 7, 2013 at 2:13 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Allow mW to rephrase. You claim a cosmic mind designed the universe. Where is the evidence for this, and the falsifiability of what you proposed
And you are never going to get an answer that isn't a series of vaguely mystical non sequiturs followed by undeserved superiority and condescension.
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RE: A question for Theists, especially YEC
October 9, 2013 at 11:07 am
(October 7, 2013 at 4:49 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (October 7, 2013 at 2:13 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Allow mW to rephrase. You claim a cosmic mind designed the universe. Where is the evidence for this, and the falsifiability of what you proposed
And you are never going to get an answer that isn't a series of vaguely mystical non sequiturs followed by undeserved superiority and condescension.
You are the evidence that the cosmic mind exist and that he create the universe.
You want to go ahead all the time.
You may not know where this progress will take you but nevertheless you keep on going ahead.
You want to learn something all the time whether you study at the uni or just by being here in this forum.
Slowly slowly you will learn that theories will take you nowhere so you will want to do something practical to advance more and more.
You also will learn that progress within this physical arena is a pure illusion as the negative will prevent real progress so you will search elsewhere.
You also will learn that all your learning and you degree of consciousness can not die with your physical body and that your body is none but a shell.
Slowly slowly you will understand and distinguish between reality and illusion.
All this does not come in a flesh.
You got to do the hard work first.
Only after this you will start to understand how all the system works.
In the meantime is all blur and confused so do not expect to understand at this point in time.
Do the hard work first like all those who in the past wanted to know and then you will know. 
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