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Question for Christian Ballbags here
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RE: Question for Christian Ballbags here
(October 11, 2013 at 5:51 am)themonkeyman Wrote: 1) You say that God exists. Can I ask then why there has been not a single Prophesy / Miracle or major enlightenment of people by this said God since he stopped writing documents and texts 2000 years ago.

There have plenty reported over the years since then even in the modern era. The really major stuff we can assume is exceptionally rare.

Quote:2) Can I ask why you are basing your faith on a document that was written by people who had a very limited Grasp of Knowledge. Think a toddler trying to explain the Bible.

It ties in with what I would believe to be true anyway. It's rational, fits with science just fine and makes good emotional sense.


Quote:3) You say that all non-Christians goto hell.

Where in the Bible does it say that? Non-Christians won't receive Gods grace I suppose but that probably just means they will be judged purely on their works and good deeds. Bear in mind that God loves everyone yourself included though there is a consequence for sin.


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If does this not indicate a failure in Gods 'All Saving' grace in that God still could not save people who did not believe in him

You have the freewill to reject Gods love for you but he would rather you didn't.


Quote:3a) based on the above question can we sufficiently say that God would rather people Burn for Eternity just because they asked for evidence to believe in him.

It's just better if you do believe in him and accept the grace he offers you. You don't have to because you have the free choice.


Quote:Also if Jesus had to take our sins upon him why was it conditional on belief. Why could he not have accepted all sins.

You have to accept the salvation from sin Jesus offers you as well it's a two way deal. He isn't going to force you to be regenerate and born of the spirit rather than the flesh.


Quote:3b) Jesus mentioned a Sin that he cannot forgive - This again proves that Jesus cannot forgive anything and it also causes a paradox in that Jesus who said that whoever believes in him will goto heaven. According to this same person if you commit this sin - despite believing in him you wont goto heaven so Jesus was a Liar!.

It's unclear what blaspheming against the Holy Spirit entails but we can assume it's something particularly bad.


Quote:5) WHY DID GOD CREATE EVIL?

He gave humans the freewill to be evil if they want to be.

Quote:5a) WHY DID GOD CREATE HUMANS THAT ARE NATURALLY ATTRACTED TO EVIL?

He created humans in his image so we're essentially good but we're also in some way we're in a fallen state of sin and this can lead to evil.


Quote:5b) WHY DID GOD CONDEMN HUMANS FOR THEIR OWN DESIGNED NATURE?

He didn't condemn us he saved us from sin and death through Christ that's the idea. If there was nothing to be saved from it would all be a bit pointless.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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RE: Question for Christian Ballbags here
(October 11, 2013 at 2:18 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: If there was nothing to be saved from it would all be a bit pointless.

And there we have it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHA9QCAiGE0
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RE: Question for Christian Ballbags here
I'm picking out one issue here to make a point.

(October 11, 2013 at 2:18 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Bear in mind that God loves everyone yourself included

Bear in mind that we have Christians here who will insist the exact opposite is true.

Why should we believe you, and not them?
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(October 11, 2013 at 2:34 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Bear in mind that we have Christians here who will insist the exact opposite is true.

Why should we believe you, and not them?

The same reason those other christians say you should believe them: because they said it.
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(October 11, 2013 at 2:18 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: It's just better if you do believe in him and accept the grace he offers you. You don't have to because you have the free choice.
And this says it all. It's just better. Sword, it may be "just better" for YOU. The rest of us do indeed have the choice to examine this kind of statement and see it for what it is- an argument reduced to "because I said so." If you really believe we don't have to, then how about stopping your proselytizing and your embarrassingly bad garblings of established science and starting to actually try to understand that other people are not you?
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(October 11, 2013 at 2:38 pm)Zazzy Wrote: And this says it all. It's just better. Sword, it may be "just better" for YOU.

Better for as well and all of humanity. But no-one not even God can force you into it it's your own choice. I don't believe non-Christians automatically go to hell though you'll have to find the part of the scripture that says that.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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RE: Question for Christian Ballbags here
(October 11, 2013 at 2:44 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: I don't believe non-Christians automatically go to hell though you'll have to find the part of the scripture that says that.
Quote:Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Read your bible asshat.

(all bold added by me)
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RE: Question for Christian Ballbags here
(October 11, 2013 at 2:44 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:
(October 11, 2013 at 2:38 pm)Zazzy Wrote: And this says it all. It's just better. Sword, it may be "just better" for YOU.

Better for as well and all of humanity. But no-one not even God can force you into it it's your own choice. I don't believe non-Christians automatically go to hell though you'll have to find the part of the scripture that says that.

You don't even know what's in your own pathetic book, how sad.

Philippians 3:18-19
Matthew 5:29-30, 25:31-33 and 41-46

Why is it that atheists always have to do your research for you believers?
No creator in the heavens above (I am the lightning)
Rest your weary mind
No demons in the furnace below (I am the frenzy)
I have realized I AM GOD
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RE: Question for Christian Ballbags here
Nope nothing in there about non-believers going to hell for not being Christians. The gospels were written by Jews anyway. It was a sect within Judaism to begin with of course. The Pope even agrees with me and he ought to know.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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RE: Question for Christian Ballbags here
(October 11, 2013 at 2:58 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Nope nothing in there about non-believers going to hell for not being Christians. The gospels were written by Jews anyway. It was a sect within Judaism to begin with of course.

What the fuck difference does it make? And wouldn't that imply that Christians are wrong?

Special pleading, bitch please.
No creator in the heavens above (I am the lightning)
Rest your weary mind
No demons in the furnace below (I am the frenzy)
I have realized I AM GOD
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