Jesus Never Existed vs The Holocaust

[Drich]

Didn't alot of Nazi's run and try and hide in sweden after the war was over?

You're always trying to one-up your last fit of asshattery, aren't you?

I'm not the one who brough up the death camps. This guy could have used any questionable historical even to prove his point, The moon landing, Christopher Columbus' discovery of America, the belief that the earth was flat, ect.. I suspect he used the death camps to envoke an emotional response, i like playing that game from time to time so i called his bluff just to see how he/or the self righteous would respond.

[Anomalocaris]

Couple of questions.

There appears to be no historical evidence for Jesus.

Is there as much evidence for that Jesus never existed as it is for that the holocaust never took place? Can you compare these these events anyway?

If I think that Jesus never existed. Is that on the same basis that a holocaust denier think that the holocaust never took place? Why or why not?

Is the historical evidence for the holocaust better than for the existense of Jesus?

The reason why I ask because some people accuse people that think that Jesus never existed to be holocaust deniers among other things.

I doubt that Jesus existed, but I think that the holocaust took place. Have I reasons to believe that?

Holocaust is extensively corroborated by contemporary and archeological evidence. Nothing about holocaust contradicts well-known and thoroughly verified laws of physics, chemistry and biology.

The central essence of Jesus story is corroborated by nothing worthwhile, and stands in diametric contradiction to well-known and thoroughly verified laws of physics, chemistry and biology.

If one were to thoroughly apply consistent rules of evidence across all that one believes, then believing holocaust remains totally compatible with believing virtually everything that progress of modern science have shown to be valid and sound, and incompatible with believing most things that have been shown false.

Believing Jesus to be son of god, on the other hand, requires a different set of rule of evidence that, while not necessarily exclude belief in some things that are demonstratably true, would also compel you to believe in virtually anything that are so sufficiently outlandishly false that they would be basis for committing you to a psychiatric hospital.

[SwedishAtheist]

I didn't choose the holocaust to create tension or anything like that. I think that the biblical scholar Bart Ehrman compared those who didn't believe that jesus even existed are holocaust deniers too. Which is very false.

Like someone else said, I shouldn't try to prove that Jesus didn't exist, but since he is such a central figure in Christianity, christians should at first prove thattheguy even existed, which I think that they have failed with.

Chuck: Thanks for your answer. However, I'm afraid that I didn't fully understood what you said. You used a set of complicated words like "stands in diametric contradiction.." etc. I can't form that sentence in my head. Sorry. Could you give a little more idiotproof answer?

[thesummerqueen]

It boils down to "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," Swedish.

We have the evidence for the Holocaust. We don't have evidence for Jesus existing even as a man, much less that he was a supernatural figure conceived by a divine being and resurrected by the same.

[Drich]

To say Christ did not even exist is foolishness, and alot of wishful thinking. Even if you take away the bible references he is the second most verifie person of that time period. With the bible references He beats everyone hands down.
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html

[Anomalocaris]

To say Christ did not even exist is foolishness, and alot of wishful thinking. Even if you take away the bible references he is the second most verifie person of that time period. With the bible references He beats everyone hands down.
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html

Jesus is not nearly as well atested to as someone so utterly insignificant as even you, Drich.

[Paraselene]

http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html

We do not grant this idea that the Bible cannot be considered a source of evidence for the existence of Jesus.

And that is why that site fails.

[Faith No More]

I'm not the one who brough up the death camps. This guy could have used any questionable historical even to prove his point, The moon landing, Christopher Columbus' discovery of America, the belief that the earth was flat, ect.. I suspect he used the death camps to envoke an emotional response, i like playing that game from time to time so i called his bluff just to see how he/or the self righteous would respond.

Or he chose that because believers are always comparing the two, and you just like being a cunt.

Also, your incessant need to ascribe ulterior motives to others when you have no basis for such other than your own sanctimonious prejudices is quite tiring.

[thesummerqueen]

To say Christ did not even exist is foolishness, and alot of wishful thinking. Even if you take away the bible references he is the second most verifie person of that time period. With the bible references He beats everyone hands down.
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I have a lot of verifiable sources about Tony Stark too, and alas, such a man does not exist in real life, or I'd be having his babies happily.

[Tonus]

Interestingly enough, in 2,000 years we may be able to verify that a man named Anthony Stark existed, but the stories of how he built a suit of mobile body armor that utilized advanced cybernetic and electromagnetic systems will be a matter of faith; lots of eyewitness testimony but no physical evidence.