Islam IS the true religion of humanity.

[Nineteen]

I did a quick research about the Greek originated embryo studies but could not find anything . There are just some websites which says the same things without any informations .

You give the verses , but I wonder about Greek origin informations similar or same with the verses . So I want to compare them with each other .

[pocaracas]

oh boy... your google skillz are somewhat lacking young one...

Galen, writing in around AD 150 in Pergamum (Bergama in modern Turkey). Galen taught that the embryo developed in four stages as detailed below.

English translation:

But let us take the account back again to the first conformation of the animal, and in order to make our account orderly and clear, let us divide the creation of the foetus overall into four periods of time. The first is that in which. as is seen both in abortions and in dissection, the form of the semen prevails (Arabic nutfah). At this time, Hippocrates too, the all-marvelous, does not yet call the conformation of the animal a foetus; as we heard just now in the case of semen voided in the sixth day, he still calls it semen. But when it has been filled with blood (Arabic alaqa), and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen. Accordingly you would find that Hippocrates too no longer calls such a form semen but, as was said, foetus. The third period follows on this, when, as was said, it is possible to see the three ruling parts clearly and a kind of outline, a silhouette, as it were, of all the other parts (Arabic mudghah). You will see the conformation of the three ruling parts more clearly, that of the parts of the stomach more dimly, and much more still, that of the limbs. Later on they form "twigs", as Hippocrates expressed it, indicating by the term their similarity to branches. The fourth and final period is at the stage when all the parts in the limbs have been differentiated; and at this part Hippocrates the marvelous no longer calls the foetus an embryo only, but already a child, too when he says that it jerks and moves as an animal now fully formed (Arabic ‘a new creation’) ...

... The time has come for nature to articulate the organs precisely and to bring all the parts to completion. Thus it caused flesh to grow on and around all the bones, and at the same time ... it made at the ends of the bones ligaments that bind them to each other, and along their entire length it placed around them on all sides thin membranes, called periosteal, on which it caused flesh to grow.

in
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sci...mbryo.html

oh, on that same page, you can find this:

The Nestorians experienced persecution from the mainstream church and fled to Persia, where they brought their completed translations of the Greek doctors' works and founded many schools of learning. The most famous of these by far was the great medical school of Jundishapur in what is now south-east Iran, founded in AD 555 by the Persian King Chosroes the Great (also known as Anusharwan or Nushirvan), whose long reign lasted from AD 531 to around 579.

The major link between Islamic and Greek medicine must be sought in late Sasanian medicine, especially in the School of Jundishapur rather than that of Alexandria. At the time of the rise of Islam Jundishapur was at its prime. It was the most important medical centre of its time, combining the Greek, Indian and Iranian medical traditions in a cosmopolitan atmosphere which prepared the ground for Islamic medicine. The combining of different schools of medicine foreshadowed the synthesis that was to be achieved in later Islamic medicine [35].

Arab medicine, to deal with only one side of this question, borrowed from many sources. The biggest debt was to the Greeks ... The medicine of Jundi Shapur was also mainly Greek. There must have been Syriac translations in the library of the hospital there long before the Arabs came to Persia ... According to Ibn Abi Usaybi'a the first to translate Greek works into Syriac was Sergius of Ra's-al-`Ayn [sic], who translated both medical and philosophical works. It was probably he who worked for Chosroes the Great and it was his translations in all probability which were used in Jundi Shapur [36].

Enjoy!

[Lemonvariable72]

Poc, you read my mind I was just thinking bof that.

[Nineteen]

oh boy... your google skillz are somewhat lacking young one...

Galen, writing in around AD 150 in Pergamum (Bergama in modern Turkey). Galen taught that the embryo developed in four stages as detailed below.

English translation:

But let us take the account back again to the first conformation of the animal, and in order to make our account orderly and clear, let us divide the creation of the foetus overall into four periods of time. The first is that in which. as is seen both in abortions and in dissection, the form of the semen prevails (Arabic nutfah). At this time, Hippocrates too, the all-marvelous, does not yet call the conformation of the animal a foetus; as we heard just now in the case of semen voided in the sixth day, he still calls it semen. But when it has been filled with blood (Arabic alaqa), and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen. Accordingly you would find that Hippocrates too no longer calls such a form semen but, as was said, foetus. The third period follows on this, when, as was said, it is possible to see the three ruling parts clearly and a kind of outline, a silhouette, as it were, of all the other parts (Arabic mudghah). You will see the conformation of the three ruling parts more clearly, that of the parts of the stomach more dimly, and much more still, that of the limbs. Later on they form "twigs", as Hippocrates expressed it, indicating by the term their similarity to branches. The fourth and final period is at the stage when all the parts in the limbs have been differentiated; and at this part Hippocrates the marvelous no longer calls the foetus an embryo only, but already a child, too when he says that it jerks and moves as an animal now fully formed (Arabic ‘a new creation’) ...

... The time has come for nature to articulate the organs precisely and to bring all the parts to completion. Thus it caused flesh to grow on and around all the bones, and at the same time ... it made at the ends of the bones ligaments that bind them to each other, and along their entire length it placed around them on all sides thin membranes, called periosteal, on which it caused flesh to grow.

in
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sci...mbryo.html

oh, on that same page, you can find this:

The Nestorians experienced persecution from the mainstream church and fled to Persia, where they brought their completed translations of the Greek doctors' works and founded many schools of learning. The most famous of these by far was the great medical school of Jundishapur in what is now south-east Iran, founded in AD 555 by the Persian King Chosroes the Great (also known as Anusharwan or Nushirvan), whose long reign lasted from AD 531 to around 579.

The major link between Islamic and Greek medicine must be sought in late Sasanian medicine, especially in the School of Jundishapur rather than that of Alexandria. At the time of the rise of Islam Jundishapur was at its prime. It was the most important medical centre of its time, combining the Greek, Indian and Iranian medical traditions in a cosmopolitan atmosphere which prepared the ground for Islamic medicine. The combining of different schools of medicine foreshadowed the synthesis that was to be achieved in later Islamic medicine [35].

Arab medicine, to deal with only one side of this question, borrowed from many sources. The biggest debt was to the Greeks ... The medicine of Jundi Shapur was also mainly Greek. There must have been Syriac translations in the library of the hospital there long before the Arabs came to Persia ... According to Ibn Abi Usaybi'a the first to translate Greek works into Syriac was Sergius of Ra's-al-`Ayn [sic], who translated both medical and philosophical works. It was probably he who worked for Chosroes the Great and it was his translations in all probability which were used in Jundi Shapur [36].

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Look , I'm gonna refute your copy-paste informations with only one detail in Quran .

The verse 75:37 , elem yeku "nutfah"ten min "meni"yyin yumna ? was human not a "seed" from "semen" put forth ?

Nutfah does not mean "semen" ."meni" means "semen" in Arabic .

"nutfah" means "very small pieces of liquid or water". It means much more small piece when it is used as "nutfatan" . So everyone can understand that the verse describes the "sperm" . The existence of sperm was discovered in the 1700s.


Try again .

[WesOlsen]

What exactly does this verse say about the sperm sorry? Does it describe it? Or does it simply know that somehow the sex wee creates a life? Cavemen sussed that out long before Islam.

[Ksa]

^ The Qur'an states, incorrectly, that semen originates from a spot between the backbone and ribs. Today we know sperm comes from the testicles which is not between the spine and ribs but in the pelvic region.

"He is created from a drop emitted- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs "

Not to mention that the Qur'an thinks only sperm can give life, no mention of female.

Where's your Hijab woman? Why do you insult Allah with that pornography in your avatar and your claims that he's imprecise. You think Allah's commandments are debatable? Put on the Hijab...

A lot of your comments are accurate and correct KSA but you're just too fucking annoying to ever give any kudos too.

Ha! Gave you a KUDO.

[Nineteen]

^ The Qur'an states, incorrectly, that semen originates from a spot between the backbone and ribs. Today we know sperm comes from the testicles which is not between the spine and ribs but in the pelvic region.

"He is created from a drop emitted- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs "

Not to mention that the Qur'an thinks only sperm can give life, no mention of female.

A lot of your comments are accurate and correct KSA but you're just too fucking annoying to ever give any kudos too.

Ha! Gave you a KUDO.

Nope , they were also know the mission of testicles at that time , because there were a sentence called "castration" . This is interesting that still the verse says spine and rib bones . So then we need to research about the occurrence of semen and testicles , and how the system works .

This is a homework assignment for you . Work on .

[Ksa]

^ Do you have trouble understanding English/Arabic? The Qur'an says that sperm originates between the backbone and ribs. Do you get that? That's where the testicles are, between the backbone and the ribs.

You have an awful way of defying the words of your prophet. If Muhammad says your brain is in your butt cheeks you believe it and you don't argue, or you go find another religion. Who are you, woman, to come challenge Allah?

Islam is not debatable, you either follow literally or you don't follow. Who are you to twist sentences from the Qur'an to help Allah prove his point? You think Allah needs your help to correct him or make his phrases more clear?

Surat Aţ-Ţāriq: "Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs."



The sperm emerges from in between the backbone and the ribs. Do you get it? Or do you fit in Surat Al-Baqarah 2:171? Do you? If you don't believe that the sperm emerges from in between the backbone and the ribs, you are described in Surat Al-Baqarah 2:171, deaf, dumb and blind! YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. How many more ways do you want me to put it?

[Brian37]

oh boy... your google skillz are somewhat lacking young one...

in
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sci...mbryo.html

oh, on that same page, you can find this:


Enjoy!

Look , I'm gonna refute your copy-paste informations with only one detail in Quran .

The verse 75:37 , elem yeku "nutfah"ten min "meni"yyin yumna ? was human not a "seed" from "semen" put forth ?

Nutfah does not mean "semen" ."meni" means "semen" in Arabic .

"nutfah" means "very small pieces of liquid or water". It means much more small piece when it is used as "nutfatan" . So everyone can understand that the verse describes the "sperm" . The existence of sperm was discovered in the 1700s.


Try again .

Bull fucking shit! Do you really think you are the only religion who tries to retrofit modern science to ambiguous words in a holy book? I have debated Christians and Jews and most recently a Hindu. None of that ancient claptrap had any modern scientific knowledge.

"Sperm" to all cultures back then was like a seed you planted in a field, no one of any religion had any fucking clue what DNA was.

Humans back then thought the man gave the seed and planted it to grow like a crop in the field (the girl/woman). That shows absolutely no working knowledge of human biology.

The word "atom" existed in ancient Greek, do you think they BACK THEN knew what a nucleus, proton, electron or quark were BACK THEN? No they merely meant "REALLY REALLY SMALL THING".

I had a Christian apologist argue to me that Aquinas new about Quantum Mechanics, did the same shit you are doing here. No math, no peer review, simply ambiguous words. Like a child seeing shapes in the clouds.

I've even had arguments with Star Trek fans who claim the show predicted the modern cell phone. If that was true then why don't we all worship Captain Kirk as a god? Others claim the transporter is a future possibility.

"Sperm" to ALL cultures back then was the ignorant idea that men had seeds like you plant in the ground. Primitive thought and ignorant thought having nothing to do with reality.

[Ksa]

^ You're talking about atoms and so on, when she doesn't even understand that the testicles are located between the backbone and the ribs...

She doesn't understand. For people like her, Allah mentions in Surat An-Nisā' 4:56:



For those who do not understand, only fear can get them on the straight path. She has to obey by fear because her brain doesn't allow her to comprehend a simple verse:



The testicles are located in-between the backbone and the ribs. There is no philosophy. There is no homework to be done. The verse is most CLEAR and most CONCISE, just like Allah is. She has to:

1. Put on the Hijab
2. Stop saying Allah is imprecise and stop bending verses how she wants.
3. Only speak of Allah in unique adjective eg. most gracious, most merciful etc.
4. Believe that the testicles from which sperm emerges are in between the backbone and the ribs.

The Earth was created in 6 days and the testicles are in your stomach. Glory to Allah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inzAJQutN...wjm0U3hu4g