Do all Muslims bear responsibility?

[Duck]

Please don't ruin my nice thread, this person with probably provide you ten pages of nonsense. You know the kind.

Sorry! Unfortunately I am familiar with the kind of person you describe.

[EgoRaptor]

I support Geert Wilders. He has a similar proposition to yours.

[JohnCrichton72]

I support Geert Wilders. He has a similar proposition to yours.

In fairness though, I realise it to be unfeasible.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Somewhat understand? Maybe I wasn't very clear, XD (Been up forever studying). What I mean is I do recognize the divide between what is Islamic and what is generally the product of an islamic culture. The way they treat women, mostly, is islamic teachings and if muslims are unwilling to condemn, yes of course they have to be held responsible, just like if you voted for antiabortion laws you have to be responsible for that. That's just what society expects of every adult: be responsible for what you stand for. However, the byproduct of islamic culture, can't fault many muslims for that, it's just that these actions are more prevalent in these cultures, but it's not directly islamic and therefore we don't know what positions muslims take. And extremism takes a certain type of environment to breed, usually with a lot of desperation and seclusion, something I find hard to attribute to muslims in general.

Yes there is a segregation by many muslim communities, but I'm of the opinion that they'll dilute sufficiently after one or two generations. I'm more optimistic about this, I must admit. But muslim countries ... god knows what's going to happen. The thing is a theocracy isn't something someone like you and me, who've lived in secular countries, can accept. The problem becomes real when those who have never lived in theocracies think that they could (fundamentalists born and raised in secular countries), because as you probably know, you only realize what freedoms you enjoy when you lose it.

Thanks for the link, I'll get around to it.

This doesn't really.......... I don't understand what you are saying?

Lol nvm then. Thanks for the article, I actually grew up in a muslim country, it's very nice to read someone being so honest about everything and having been a muslim himself, it's like someone finally stopped pretending.

No, not all religions are equal. Most muslims are homophobic, antisemitic, sexist (but they'll insist they do it out of respect) and xenophobic. The reason I say xenophobic is because the majority of muslims are told to marry muslims by their families. Marrying a nonmuslim can get you disowned in many families.

[downbeatplumb]

Most Muslims are nice people who want to get on with their day

Why should they bear any responsibility for terrorists actions just because they pray to the same fictional character?

[Mister Agenda]

Plus, Muslims never speak out against Islamic extremism (if you ignore all the times they do, because it's too inconvenient to the meme that moderate Muslims are silent).

[Anomalocaris]

I have a belief that makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable, that all Muslims bear a responsibility for those that would (insert crime with Islam given as provocation here). I was hoping to have it shot down if I am to be honest, as it has somewhat festered into a dislike of any that call themselves Muslim and a wish for Islam "alone" to be banned from the UK.

I am all for freedom of religion, but I also believe it comes a burden of social responsibility;

I'll even put a plug in, what sickens me the most, the making women into chattel/marrying of little girls to dirty old men/polygamy/FGM/supremacist attitude that coupled with these has turned Sweden into the rape capital of Europe/paedophile rings.
One thing at a time and all.

It appears, and this is where I believe the flaw in my understanding might lay, that there are one of two options available. Islam is a provocation for violence for Muslims, or, is far too easily misinterpreted as such. To give it some context;

If memory serves, a PEW survey from 2012 gathered data on some 38,000+ Muslims and 28% thought violence in the defence of Islam is justifiable.

Which ever, if either, are right. The solution seems the same;

Muslims should change their religious doctrine (or be forcefully deported to the Islamic country of their choice), Islam as it stands is a catalyst for violence and a danger to everyone including Muslims. When some one third of their believers have misinterpreted the religion to advocate violence and are going to "HELL", whilst other believe that murdering women and children along with themselves will get them eternal life it should be banned.

If you believe in thought crime, then yes. Otherwise no.

If you do believe in thought crime, then open up your thoughts so I can rummage through them to find reasons to hold you responsible what you've not actually done.

[paulpablo]

When some one third of their believers have misinterpreted the religion to advocate violence and are going to "HELL", whilst other believe that murdering women and children along with themselves will get them eternal life it should be banned.

What makes you think the ones who interpret the quran as advocating violence are wrong?

[Nineteen]

Plus, Muslims never speak out against Islamic extremism (if you ignore all the times they do, because it's too inconvenient to the meme that moderate Muslims are silent).

Another memorized sentence and another propaganda style . Many muslim state managers condemns terrorism but this usually does not take place in the Western media .

[Mister Agenda]

Just making sure, Nineteen, you know that I agree with you, right? I was being sarcastic, and I know that's difficult to pick up in a second language.