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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 1:23 am
(This post was last modified: December 22, 2013 at 1:28 am by snowtracks.)
of course, i'm getting nothing but excuses.
where is all that high powered intellectualism that's been championed about in this parts?
oh i get it, you can critique but you have no ideas of your own.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 2:13 am
(December 22, 2013 at 1:23 am)snowtracks Wrote: of course, i'm getting nothing but excuses.
where is all that high powered intellectualism that's been championed about in this parts?
oh i get it, you can critique but you have no ideas of your own.
why is god self evident? And which god is?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 4:07 am
(December 21, 2013 at 8:45 pm)snowtracks Wrote: theism has no God of the gap problem.
Theism is a god of the gaps problem, and here it is:
(December 21, 2013 at 8:45 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the U. is here, and has a designer.
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At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 4:10 am
(December 22, 2013 at 12:54 am)snowtracks Wrote: the atheists believe in nothing because they have nothing.
This statement has nothing to do with the topic at hand and is merely the revealingly judgemental arrogance of one who has nothing and knows it.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 5:38 am
(December 22, 2013 at 12:54 am)snowtracks Wrote: the atheists believe in nothing because they have nothing.
Why is it that some people like to put others into convenient boxes?
"You are an atheist therefore this" way to tell us what we think.
Atheism does not imply lack of belief in EVERYTHING only lack of belief in god.
Its easier for us because the stupid shit christians believe in is written in a book and conveniently numbered.
Atheism has no such thing.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 6:06 am
(December 22, 2013 at 12:54 am)snowtracks Wrote: the atheists believe in nothing because they have nothing.
I believe you're an idiot?
Checkmate.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 6:15 am
Snowtracks, stop being so childish. We don't know exactly how the universe, in this state, came to be. That however, does not, by default, make you correct.
And god is definately not self evident. If I stranded you on a deserted island with no humans at all and wiped your memory, you would never come up with anything like your christian god.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 6:30 am
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There's a quote that was doing the rounds a little while back, to the effect of:
"Imagine if all of human knowledge and achievement were to be wiped out tomorrow. Given enough time, it's inevitable that all the major scientific discoveries would eventually be rediscovered. Every god that has ever been worshipped, however, would vanish forever."
In other words, nothing of any religion - the very existence of their gods, their prophets, their mythologies - can be derived from examining the Universe and assessing the evidence. None of it would ever be known outside their 'holy' texts. Which explains why every culture that has ever exploited the very lucrative idea of gods in whatever form have come up with so many completely different and only superficially compatible mythologies that, frankly, it must be a major source of embarrassment to their mouthpieces trying to sell their pet deity as the One True God.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 6:49 am
(December 22, 2013 at 6:15 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Snowtracks, stop being so childish. We don't know exactly how the universe, in this state, came to be. That however, does not, by default, make you correct.
This has been made clear in this topic from the beginning, which is why this thread has been ~68 pages of "god of the gaps." To deny that he's using that argument while repeatedly demanding an explanation for the origins of the universe is dishonest, but also very telling. If god was so evident, why are theists always trying to pull him out of the ever-shrinking gaps in human knowledge? Why do some of them (as evident throughout this topic) simply give up even trying and just repeat rote claims as if they were a talisman?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 6:54 am
To paraphrase Dickens, it seems the less a theist knows, the more he knows it
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