Gay marriage

[Minimalist]

Well, in Australia medical staff who are ethically/morally opposed to abortions have to perform them - including 2nd/3rd trimester abortions. It is against the law for doctors/nurses to say they don't want to do it.

Bravo for Australia.

Those people can be against them all they want....as long as they do their fucking jobs.

[Ryantology]

So you say that same-sex marriage ends discrimination, but it doesn't. Discrimination isn't always a bad thing, and the ideology behind same-sex marriage is no different.

I'm pretty sure that this, in a nutshell, is why the religious try so hard to prevent LGBT people from being treated like equals: they are terrified of the idea that LGBT people are going to treat religious people as monstrously as religious people have treated, and in many cases continue to treat, LGBT people.

Not that many of you wouldn't deserve it.

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Well, in Australia medical staff who are ethically/morally opposed to abortions have to perform them - including 2nd/3rd trimester abortions. It is against the law for doctors/nurses to say they don't want to do it.

Bravo for Australia.

Those people can be against them all they want....as long as they do their fucking jobs.

Seriously. If you don't want to perform abortions, don't go into a profession which may require it of you. If you're a pacifist and you volunteer for combat duty, you don't have the right to complain that your officers are ordering you to kill.

[faithinwhat]

In my opinion I don't really believe that people are gay, straight, bi or asexual. With some people I think its just who they fall in love with (yuck)

I don't think it really matters what a person has or doesn't have between their legs, I think its whats in their heads. Although in saying this I don't think I could ever fall in love with a woman those bitches are crazy!!

I do find other women attractive just like other men aspire to be like their mates, how else do you explain why you all act like total pillocks?

But in the sense of this post I think you should be able to marry who the bloody hell you want, man, woman, cat, sheep or television. If I had my way I would have made an honest thing of my rampant rabbit years ago

[Chas]

really doubt that will happen. Churches have always been able to refuse to marry any couple they don't want to for any reason.

Well, in Australia medical staff who are ethically/morally opposed to abortions have to perform them - including 2nd/3rd trimester abortions. It is against the law for doctors/nurses to say they don't want to do it.

On the issue of Marriage - if we allow same sex marriage then why not allow all forms of marriage we don't currently allow? Child-child, child-adult, incestuous couples? Now before you claim that my argument is rubbish - I believe every relationship I've mentioned should be legally recognized under civil union legislation, along with same-sex/heterosexual/polygamy, and every one else. Even if you redefine marriage to allow same-sex couples, you're still discriminating against other groups of people, just not same-sex couples anymore.

So you say that same-sex marriage ends discrimination, but it doesn't. Discrimination isn't always a bad thing, and the ideology behind same-sex marriage is no different.

Your argument is, in fact, idiotic. Children cannot consent or make contracts.
Union between two consenting adults is the issue here, and extending that to all adults.

[Aractus]

Children cannot consent or make contracts.

So what you're saying is that a child cannot walk into a store and buy a shirt, a bottle of milk a movie ticket or a maccas meal?

Only problem is you're wrong. The law requires that ID be produced for buying knives - you have to be at least 16 (legally a child) - you also need to produce ID to buy/hire an MA rated movie or game or see an MA rated film in the cinema - you have to be at least 15. So in both these instances the vendor knows the age of the customer. FYI the vender is often represented by children 14 and over too - if you buy your cup of coffee from a 14 year old he's completing the contract - if a 14 year old buys one from a 14 year old, if a 15 year old buys a movie ticket from a 14 year old, etc, they're all entering into contracts with no adult intervention.

If a 17 year old fills up a car with fuel, and goes in to pay for it is the servo assistant going to siphon the fuel back out?

What about bank accounts, how are children allowed to have bank accounts?

Children enter into contracts all the time.

If a 15 year old and an 18 year old are in a relationship living together independently, are you saying that their relationship should have no legal recognition?

Union between two consenting adults is the issue here, and extending that to all adults.

See? "TWO consenting adults" - you've already discriminated against other groups just by that statement, all you've done is proved my point.

[NoraBrimstone]

Holy shit you're retarded.

[Ryantology]

If we keep letting these Christians marry, the next thing you know, we'll have to allow every other kind of perversion, too. People will be able to marry dogs.

[Esquilax]

Well, in Australia medical staff who are ethically/morally opposed to abortions have to perform them - including 2nd/3rd trimester abortions. It is against the law for doctors/nurses to say they don't want to do it.

If a fireman is morally opposed to the extinguishing of fires, should he have a right to let your house burn, or should he realize that his job and his moral convictions are two separate things, and that his two choices are to either do his fucking job or get out of the way and let someone else do it, but the world doesn't have to make special exceptions every time he's offended?

On the issue of Marriage - if we allow same sex marriage then why not allow all forms of marriage we don't currently allow? Child-child, child-adult, incestuous couples? Now before you claim that my argument is rubbish - I believe every relationship I've mentioned should be legally recognized under civil union legislation, along with same-sex/heterosexual/polygamy, and every one else. Even if you redefine marriage to allow same-sex couples, you're still discriminating against other groups of people, just not same-sex couples anymore.

There's a thing called "analysis," that people can do to determine whether something is harmful or not, and since I'm sure you don't think murder laws discriminate against killers, I'd say you agree with me that harmful things should be restricted to within certain parameters, yes?

In terms of children, yes, we restrict what they can do. Why? Because they aren't fully equipped to make their own decisions yet, as anyone who has ever watched a kid eating paste could tell you. Hence, that's the only type of marriage you listed that I would be specifically against.

So you say that same-sex marriage ends discrimination, but it doesn't. Discrimination isn't always a bad thing, and the ideology behind same-sex marriage is no different.

I always find it interesting, the levels of dishonesty the religious will sink to at any given convenience, like pretending they can't see the difference between a justified restriction on an action in service to the public good, and restricting a class of people from an action based upon nothing more than "god durn't like it." It just goes to show how seriously they actually take their holy books.

[Belac Enrobso]

Tsk tsk Aractus,
Your argument was as smooth as a cactus.
I guess it's time to wrap this,
By simply saying, Oh Aractus.

[Zen Badger]

Tsk tsk Aractus,
Your argument was as smooth as a cactus.
I guess it's time to wrap this,
By simply saying, Oh Aractus.

Hey!
That could be a meme.

Dude, you just went full aractus.
Never go full aractus.