Christians/Theists... why is it that ya'll think Harry Potter "bad"

[Faith No More]

Otherwise, you've slipped another notch down the Batshit Crazy Scale™.

Drich's position on that scale is like zero Kelvin.

It's impossible to slip down further.

[Drich]

Yea Drich, shouldn't you be able to tell us about the evidence that persuaded you that witchcraft is real? Or did you just believe it along with the rest of the bible?

The point I was making and you all seem all too eager to verify is that by accepting fictional accounts of things like witchcraft and sorcery, you have turn a blind eye to how it truly manifest itself.

Sorcery is not about harry potter magic, it is about using things like herbs and chants to get a desired result, from something as small as getting rid of a head ache or giving someone a head ache to killing them or healing them. Sorcery is about seeking means of changing one's situation outside of God. It is seeking to by pass God in hopes to control or manage one's own life, through other 'powers.'

[Lemonvariable72]

Yea Drich, shouldn't you be able to tell us about the evidence that persuaded you that witchcraft is real? Or did you just believe it along with the rest of the bible?

The point I was making and you all seem all too eager to verify is that by accepting fictional accounts of things like witchcraft and sorcery, you have turn a blind eye to how it truly manifest itself.

Sorcery is not about harry potter magic, it is about using things like herbs and chants to get a desired result, from something as small as getting rid of a head ache or giving someone a head ache to killing them or healing them. Sorcery is about seeking means of changing one's situation outside of God. It is seeking to by pass God in hopes to control or manage one's own life, through other 'powers.'

I'd like to see your answer to my previous post

[Drich]

Actually that is not sorcery, that is fiction.

Biblical examples include petitioning satan/Demons/Familiar Spirits via potions and cermonial rituals for the supernatural ablity to heal, make someone sick, entertain (As Simon did in acts 8) or to maniuplate and control a persons situation.

And you have personally witnessed such "sorcery" and can provide evidence for its efficacy?

absolutly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_use_of_incense

We use to do this in our house, for these reasons.

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Sorry must have missed this one somehow.

Wouldn't that make god partially responsible for negative consequences of sorcery given he could eliminate it all together extremely easily because of his abilities as the first and last?

Indeed as per the example of Simon the Sorcerer in Acts 8 because God is partially responsiable redemption through attonement is offered, if said sorcerer repents.

To me this seems akin to leaving a burner on with a small child in the kitchen and telling said child not to play near the stove.

Great example, but what is the alternitive to a child possiably getting burned? Kill the child? not have children? stop cooking? or tell them not to play around the stove? maybe allow them to even get burned to save them from serious burns later on?

[Lemonvariable72]

Yea Drich, shouldn't you be able to tell us about the evidence that persuaded you that witchcraft is real? Or did you just believe it along with the rest of the bible?

The point I was making and you all seem all too eager to verify is that by accepting fictional accounts of things like witchcraft and sorcery, you have turn a blind eye to how it truly manifest itself.

Sorcery is not about harry potter magic, it is about using things like herbs and chants to get a desired result, from something as small as getting rid of a head ache or giving someone a head ache to killing them or healing them. Sorcery is about seeking means of changing one's situation outside of God. It is seeking to by pass God in hopes to control or manage one's own life, through other 'powers.'

Except drich that any practicing ritual magician that is following the practice of henry Agrippa ( basically any that is not levayan or wiccan) will tell that there power comes from god and his officers, the highest ritual being the tetra gromesh which is a ritual to summon god to take orders from god directly.
And their position is just as well evidenced as yours.

[Crossless2.0]

And you have personally witnessed such "sorcery" and can provide evidence for its efficacy?

absolutly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_use_of_incense

We use to do this in our house, for these reasons.

For what reasons? Am I wrong to assume your use of incense was of the neo-pagan variety mentioned in the article? If so, what were the results? Can others reliably experience the same results?

And how do you know you weren't just mind-fucking yourself into believing the results you sought were obtained? How can we be sure you're not indulging in confirmation bias?

[Lemonvariable72]

And you have personally witnessed such "sorcery" and can provide evidence for its efficacy?

absolutly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_use_of_incense

We use to do this in our house, for these reasons.

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Sorry must have missed this one somehow.

Wouldn't that make god partially responsible for negative consequences of sorcery given he could eliminate it all together extremely easily because of his abilities as the first and last?

Indeed as per the example of Simon the Sorcerer in Acts 8 because God is partially responsiable redemption through attonement is offered, if said sorcerer repents.

To me this seems akin to leaving a burner on with a small child in the kitchen and telling said child not to play near the stove.

Great example, but what is the alternitive to a child possiably getting burned? Kill the child? not have children? stop cooking? or tell them not to play around the stove? maybe allow them to even get burned to save them from serious burns later on?

Or shut the burner off.

[StoryBook]

Yea Drich, shouldn't you be able to tell us about the evidence that persuaded you that witchcraft is real? Or did you just believe it along with the rest of the bible?

The point I was making and you all seem all too eager to verify is that by accepting fictional accounts of things like witchcraft and sorcery, you have turn a blind eye to how it truly manifest itself.

Sorcery is not about harry potter magic, it is about using things like herbs and chants to get a desired result, from something as small as getting rid of a head ache or giving someone a head ache to killing them or healing them. Sorcery is about seeking means of changing one's situation outside of God. It is seeking to by pass God in hopes to control or manage one's own life, through other 'powers.'

??? So you have never used pain or cold medications? Never went to a doctor? Shouldn't use tooth paste because it is altering the health of your teeth.

[Faith No More]

absolutly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_use_of_incense

We use to do this in our house, for these reasons.

Are you saying burning incense is sorcery and you do that?

[StoryBook]

Actually that is not sorcery, that is fiction.

Biblical examples include petitioning satan/Demons/Familiar Spirits via potions and cermonial rituals for the supernatural ablity to heal, make someone sick, entertain (As Simon did in acts 8) or to maniuplate and control a persons situation.
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Isn't this what Christian/Catholics do?

Isn't this what god does?