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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 10, 2014 at 5:05 am
(January 10, 2014 at 4:55 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I suppose that illogical things exist (although nothing springs to mind at the moment), but what cannot exist is a thing that is itself and its opposite at the same time. For example, we don't have married bachelors or cubical spheres.
This is the case with God. God cannot exist while at the same time being merciful and just, wrathful and omniscient, etc.
For the record, here's a medieval computer:
![[Image: abacus-1212476-m.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.sxc.hu%2Fassets%2F182983%2F1829824958%2Fabacus-1212476-m.jpg)
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it isn't in our nature to think of a God, it is in our nature to seek answers and the concept of God is most influenced in this world.
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 10, 2014 at 11:18 am
(January 10, 2014 at 4:19 am)rasetsu Wrote:
meh.
Everytime you say something like that I get the feeling I've said something really stupid. :-(
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 10, 2014 at 11:41 am
Not illogical. Maybe not understandable, but that is different. Most people don't understand how a computer works nowadays, but they can still see it and touch it so can determine it very likely exists.
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 10, 2014 at 12:09 pm
How is a computer illogical? If you explained to them the necessity it plays in the future (a world far detached from the middle ages) I think they'd understand the role of computers. It's not a difficult concept to grasp if you explain it to them. That's a terrible example.
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 10, 2014 at 12:58 pm
I didn't realize that logic was time sensitive.
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm
When I say "the computer is illogical", I meant it cannot be easily explained and may not be thought to be possible in the middle ages.
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 10, 2014 at 5:50 pm
(January 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm)orlox Wrote: When I say "the computer is illogical", I meant it cannot be easily explained and may not be thought to be possible in the middle ages.
Kind of changes the meaning of the thread a bit, doesn't it? Because that's not what "illogical" means at all. "Inconceivable" is closer to what you're looking for.
P.S. In before the Princess Bride jokes. 
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 12, 2014 at 3:37 pm
(January 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm)orlox Wrote: When I say "the computer is illogical", I meant it cannot be easily explained and may not be thought to be possible in the middle ages.
So basically you used the word "illogical" to mean something not covered by the standard definition of the word "illogical". Then we can reword the first part of your thread title as "Hard-to-explain things can be real", to which the response is likely to be along the lines of "no shit, Sherlock".
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 12, 2014 at 4:11 pm
(January 12, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (January 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm)orlox Wrote: When I say "the computer is illogical", I meant it cannot be easily explained and may not be thought to be possible in the middle ages.
So basically you used the word "illogical" to mean something not covered by the standard definition of the word "illogical". Then we can reword the first part of your thread title as "Hard-to-explain things can be real", to which the response is likely to be along the lines of "no shit, Sherlock".
I like this. Although occams razor still cuts.
The flaw is in the confidence we enjoy in religion. Show your middle aged peasant an I pad and he'd call it a magic demon box and burn you as a witch. He'd THINK he understood the thing.
The trick, I think, is being able to say "yep, I don't understand that".
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Through power, I gain victory.
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 12, 2014 at 4:16 pm
(January 9, 2014 at 8:02 pm)orlox Wrote: There is the computer, if we lived in at middle ages, the computer is very illogical to a thinker by that time, but you see it's real and we are using it to post here.
How can you still disprove an illogical entity like God despite this idea?
That thinker would probably not think a computer is illogical if they actually saw one working and had the basics explained to them.
After all, computers demonstrably exist and function, neither of which is true about God.
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