(February 4, 2014 at 7:09 pm)bennyboy Wrote: We wouldn't, and couldn't, make that determination. That's the point.
Then, why worry about it?
Quote:I think it's much more likely that people lie desperately to themselves than craftily lie to others. But frankly, I wasn't talking about God in that last post.
You weren't, but that is one of the points of the thread.
Quote:They cannot comprehend the musical language of Mozart, while they might make their own wormy sense of the vibrations. The point is that the human experience, the elation etc. that music can bring, is inaccesible to worms. And since we are less complex in relation to the universe than the worm is in relation to us, I have to assume there are MANY relationships which are similarly inaccessible to us.
Well, again, my point is that there is no objective point to get. We don't comprehend the world the same way that a worm does.
Quote:As for evolution: if a worm evolved so far as to be able to appreciate Mozart in the way that we do, it would no longer be a worm. Could humanity, by some billions-years-long chaing of events, become godlike? Maybe, but that's blind speculation.
It seems like 'godlike' is specifically describing anything that is there but we can't comprehend it. If we became godlike, it wouldn't make us gods, nor would it probably erase our desire to invent them.
Quote:It's easy to prove there are things we can't comprehend. Pick up an advanced theoretical physics book. 95% of us have no chance to understand it due to pure IQ deficiency. Now, take the top 1% of physicists, and ask-- is it conceivable that another person could be born so much cleverer than them that they wouldn't even be able to understand what he said? I think the answer to that, based on pure statistics, is yes, it is possible.
I'm not saying that there aren't things we can't comprehend. I'm saying that if there's something out there that nobody could ever possibly comprehend, e.g. God, on what basis can anyone claim it's actually there? And even if it's true, why should we care?
