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What do believers say when you ask or tell them..

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What do believers say when you ask or tell them..
Edwardo Piet Away
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RE: What do believers say when you ask or tell them..
March 7, 2010 at 6:05 am
Quote:There's always a positive aspect to doing something not for yourself

Well yeah I agree with that, but I thought you said that prayer was for yourself and yet selfless. That verbatim seems at least almost contradictory to me.

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March 7, 2010 at 6:12 am (This post was last modified: March 7, 2010 at 6:13 am by fr0d0.)
They were separate statements. Yet about the same thing - selfless is always positive - so that's a way that the two statements are true.
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RE: What do believers say when you ask or tell them..
March 7, 2010 at 6:13 am
Okay, so it both feels good and it's selfless.

But how is prayer selfless? Who/what are you helping other than yourself 'feeling better'?

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RE: What do believers say when you ask or tell them..
March 7, 2010 at 6:15 am
As it's Gods call, you can't know.
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March 7, 2010 at 6:20 am
Oh, so you just believe that it somehow helps others as well as yourself?

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RE: What do believers say when you ask or tell them..
March 7, 2010 at 6:44 am
Just believe yes lol ...but the believe is everything
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March 7, 2010 at 6:47 am
No, it's it's belief. Not everything - it's belief. By definition.

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March 7, 2010 at 6:59 am
In this instance it is - in the context of prayer being effective.
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RE: What do believers say when you ask or tell them..
March 7, 2010 at 7:07 am
And it 'just is', in the sense that, that's how you experience it and you trust that it comes down to your belief/faith in God?

Placebo effect I say --

- moving on...?

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RE: What do believers say when you ask or tell them..
March 7, 2010 at 8:08 am (This post was last modified: March 7, 2010 at 8:09 am by fr0d0.)
A placebo is unrelated. That's like saying the proofs of your world view is a placebo.

Your level of understanding is related to the accuracy of your requests and their subsequent success.
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