Feminism is as Awful as Homophobia

[Shell B]

Can I say that I agree with the title of this thread. Can't fucking stand feminism.

[houseofcantor]

Can I say that I agree with the title of this thread. Can't fucking stand feminism.

Can I say that I'm glad to see you around?

even if you don't like my Gwynnies

[Psykhronic]

I am very glad feminism exists even if I do not always agree with feminists.

[Violet]

I'm sorry, but talking about your teacher's tits (or anyone's for that matter) is just plain rude. Have some fucking respect, you child.

Bolding mine.

I disagree. I talk about Shell B's tits all the time and that isn't rude.

I wasn't aware the Shellerby was the one wearing the trousers... this has changed my worldview entirely.

@Shell: why you steal my future commentses?! I don't want to make a post that just says 'yeah, I agree entirely with the soon to be wed poster above me'... it's just not enough to make a post about, dammit.

... really was a good title, though. Had my full support before I clicked on the thread.

False advertising, and stuff

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I am very glad feminism exists even if I do not always agree with feminists.

I am not glad that segregating bodies such as feminism exist, but I'm not planning to stop the world from engaging in such judgmental behavior.

[Psykhronic]

You can mislabel it as judgmental behavior or segregation if you want. I certainly don't give a shit enough about what you think to dispel that false notion.

[Violet]

That example illustrates just ONE of the reasons there are sexual harassment laws. I mean, what, should I thank the guy for warning me before raping me?

Not saying you should be thankful for anything... but it's nice to be able to prepare for the possibility of something horrible.

I probably would have walked home all the same, as it's in my nature to 'overpredict' and believe it's a bluff with intent to rattle me. But then, I'd probably doubt that the person had the ability to do it, what with how arrogant I am.

Not to say it wouldn't be frightening... threats rarely are anything but.

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You can mislabel it as judgmental behavior or segregation if you want. I certainly don't give a shit enough about what you think to dispel that false notion.

You mean correctly label it as such? Yeah, I'll do that.

Now... equal rights between sexes? That's different. Think about it in full, not in part.

[Psykhronic]

Yeah. Feminism isn't about equal rights. Nope. /eyeroll

Note: I consider radical feminism stupid.

[Violet]

Yeah. Feminism isn't about equal rights. Nope. /eyeroll

Correct. I'm gladdened that you've come to a rational understanding of the subject matter

Note: I consider radical feminism stupid.

I don't consider rad feminism to be stupid... it can be very well thought through by a person, and a powerful person might use such as a way to further their goals.

But it certainly is not about gender-equality: it is gender focused, placing primary importance on bringing said gender to a position of prominence... the less creative might only push for the standing and treatment of other genders... but the action is centered on the one gender.

Egalitarianism is for the equal treatment of all people... while not entirely fair, it is certainly more in line with the goals of many who would believe themselves to be feminists. Feminism and those who adhere to their understanding of its label (often egalitarians) are not the same thing.

[TaraJo]

You can mislabel it as judgmental behavior or segregation if you want. I certainly don't give a shit enough about what you think to dispel that false notion.

I think it's fair, for the sake of this discussion, to split feminism into two groups: IRL feminists and internet feminists. IRL feminists are generally pretty cool. They're the ones like Wendy Davis who spent all day on her feet, filibustering to preserve abortion rights in Texas. They're people like the women who are tortured and mutilated in Afghanistan for daring to go to school and still continue to go to school. I'm usually on board with what they want.

Then, we get the internet feminists. You want to see the types I'm talking about, go look through freethoughtblogs and get back to me. Those ones tend to be a mess; judgemental as the fundamentalists they hate (while condemning those fundamentalists for being judgmental), and never making an attempt to communicate with anyone outside their little group.

I think what I would love would be if that second group was more willing to do a little introspective soul searching and try to figure out why so many people hate them. They usually just dismiss any criticisms of them with "they're misogynists and rape supporters and they need to check their ______ privilege." The reality is, there are some very real complaints about those girls and if they would bother to listen to them, they could actually reach out to people instead of being stuck in their little circle-jerk.

I'm also seeing a lot of hostilit from that group, towards anyone who isn't in their clique. Wouldn't it also be nice if they could call out the macro aggressions from within their own ranks as easily and quickly and consitantly as they do the itty bitty little micro-aggressions they do of every day people just living their lives? I mean, there is literally a webpage dedicated to shaming men for sitting with their legs spread apart on the bus; I couldn't make this shit up. I'd post the link if I could. But, it's like, they have a problem with guys sitting with their legs spread apart, often because they have grocerys or bags or something between their legs, yet they're more than willing to look the other way when radical activists send Laci Green death threats; or when they get a guy fired because one of them overheard him talking to someone else and didn't like it; or shutting down an entire speaking event in Toronto. If internet feminists were willing to talk about their own bad behavior half as much as they talk about the piddly shit, I'd take them more seriously.

There's a certain amount of hyperbole going on there, too. Listening to them, I would have been led to believe that nobody is ever going to take a woman seriously when she talks about science. I talk science and people listen because I know what I'm talking about. You'd assume nobody in geek/gamer culture ever wants a girl there but my experience has been that they're usually pretty excited when a girl is there. I would have expected that I couldn't go out after dark without having to be scared every time I hear leaves wrustle, but I go out after dark all the time and I'm rarely scared. I would be led to believe that rape is everywhere, but I also haven't been raped. I would be led to believe that every guy is going to be gross and hit on me with rude, crude come-ons, but it rarely happens (and when it does, I almost always put the guy in his place for it). In short, a lot of what they say always happens to women rarely, if ever, happens to me. I've asked other women and they've told me the same thing: it doesn't happen to them or it's rare when it does happen.

[Psykhronic]

To Vae: As you say.