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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 2:02 pm
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(February 28, 2014 at 1:56 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: But you guys just think me and my family are idiots.
I think you're mistaken, not necessarily an idiot.
You get to determine that by deciding whether you want to have beliefs that you understand and can justify or if you are just willing to believe whatever someone in an authority position tells you.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 2:04 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 2:00 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: @JesusLover1
I don't pretend to know your situation at all, but it seriously strikes me from what you've posted here that your parents are fostering and encouraging your OCD rather than helping to treat it. Regardless of what you believe about the afterlife, if your child suffers from OCD, you don't plant seeds of fear like this.
I have changed my opinion about you several times the more you have posted. I don't think you're stupid. I actually think you are probably very smart, and that is why your parents don't want you to read the Bible. It sounds very much like your parents fear you asking questions of them, so they have created an environment where you never do.
Your parents are not infallible. They may have your best interests in mind, but sometimes they are wrong. I would suggest you request that they allow you to talk to a mental health professional who is properly licensed (read: not a church counselor) and has experience treating OCD. You could greatly improve your functionality and quality of life.
Thanks for the kind words. My parents do try and help with my OCD though. I've seen a few different people. One was a member of our church but still a highly regarded psychologist. Another was just a regular therapist but dosen't seem to know all that much about OCD. I talk to this woman on Skype now who has OCD, but she's not medically trained.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 2:05 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 1:45 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Guys this all very overwhelming. To the person asking if I had any other disorders, non diagnosed, but I definantly show some signs of ADD (but it might just be part of the OCD). My mom and dad are amazing, they would do anything for me, and I feel awful for somehow portraying them poorly to you guys. I just wanted to tell you guys what I've been told about God.
No worries, take a break and come back when you're feeling less overwhelmed.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 2:05 pm
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@ JesusLover1
Let me give you an example: I have friends who believe pretty much the same things your parents believe. They are very intelligent people. Sure, I think they are delusional about their beliefs (and vice versa), but they certainly aren't idiots (and nor am I - I hope  ) . These are two different things.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 2:09 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 2:05 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 1:45 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Guys this all very overwhelming. To the person asking if I had any other disorders, non diagnosed, but I definantly show some signs of ADD (but it might just be part of the OCD). My mom and dad are amazing, they would do anything for me, and I feel awful for somehow portraying them poorly to you guys. I just wanted to tell you guys what I've been told about God.
No worries, take a break and come back when you're feeling less overwhelmed.
Thanks I'll do that. I know I've been a jerk, but I've been thought so much by people I know (not just my parents) that atheists are irrational and immoral, I just wanted to help you guys. But instead every argument I've had for Christianity has been debunked. I want to learn more about the stuff you guys are talking about, I know I don't even deserve to ask this but when I login again could someone here talk to me one-on-one via PM and help explain why atheists don't believe? Because right now I'm still confused about it, and I'm overwhelmed by all these people at once.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 2:12 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 2:09 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Thanks I'll do that. I know I've been a jerk, but I've been thought so much by people I know (not just my parents) that atheists are irrational and immoral, I just wanted to help you guys. But instead every argument I've had for Christianity has been debunked. I want to learn more about the stuff you guys are talking about, I know I don't even deserve to ask this but when I login again could someone here talk to me one-on-one via PM and help explain why atheists don't believe? Because right now I'm still confused about it, and I'm overwhelmed by all these people at once.
Sure man, feel free to PM me whenever you happen to be around. I might not be able to get back to you immediately since I think I'm on the other side of the world from you, but I'm more than happy to talk with someone honestly willing to learn. I'm sure there are plenty more that'll mirror that sentiment.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 2:14 pm
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(February 28, 2014 at 2:09 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: But instead every argument I've had for Christianity has been debunked.
I'm not saying that I don't agree 100%, but you made it a bit too easy... there are better ones than the ones you have advanced here 
Hopefully you don't get 100 pms now, overwhelming you once again.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 2:14 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 1:56 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Faith No More Wrote: JesusLover, I think if you take away one thing from this exchange it should be this: Your parents tell you god exists but not to look into yourself, but the heathen atheists aren't telling what you should think. We've been advocating you to look for yourself.
Ask yourself why the atheists are the ones advocating honest inquiry.
But you guys just think me and my family are idiots.
I don't.
We just think you are wrong.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 2:20 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 2:09 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 2:05 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: No worries, take a break and come back when you're feeling less overwhelmed.
Thanks I'll do that. I know I've been a jerk, but I've been thought so much by people I know (not just my parents) that atheists are irrational and immoral, I just wanted to help you guys. But instead every argument I've had for Christianity has been debunked. I want to learn more about the stuff you guys are talking about, I know I don't even deserve to ask this but when I login again could someone here talk to me one-on-one via PM and help explain why atheists don't believe? Because right now I'm still confused about it, and I'm overwhelmed by all these people at once.
I don't think you're a jerk, but I do think you've been misled. Just think about some of these things yourself, do some research and don't blindly believe what anyone tells you; even us. I don't want you to blindly believe even what we tell you; do some researchon your own and figure it out yourself.
But don't feel bad about it. I think when I first encountered atheism it was 1999 and I was 20 years old (which really makes me feel like an old lady to say). I was kinda offended at the time that people could actually believe god/jesus doesn't exist or that the Bible could be wrong, but as I looked for evidence to back up what I said vs. the evidence they gave for what they said, I found my evidence lacking and their seemed to be pretty accurate.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 2:21 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 2:09 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Thanks I'll do that. I know I've been a jerk, but I've been thought so much by people I know (not just my parents) that atheists are irrational and immoral, I just wanted to help you guys. But instead every argument I've had for Christianity has been debunked. I want to learn more about the stuff you guys are talking about, I know I don't even deserve to ask this but when I login again could someone here talk to me one-on-one via PM and help explain why atheists don't believe? Because right now I'm still confused about it, and I'm overwhelmed by all these people at once. I can't tell you why every atheist rejects a belief in God, but I can tell you the reasons why I do. PM me when you come back if you wanna talk about it.
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