Is Unbelief Possible?

[Hezekiah]

You did not take a journey, you despaired of swimming and decided to grabbed onto a straw in the hopes the straw will both decide for you where you want to go, and absolve you of the need to swim to get there, despite much evidence the straw does not have any facility for the wisdom attributed to it by fools, nor possesses the necessary buoyancy to really keep you afloat. There is good working assumption, and there is idiotic working assumption.

Well it wasn't all a great journey! Like I said, it's my personal choice to believe there is a God. I don't want the thread to get off topic too much, but if anyone is interested in interrogating why I am still a Christian, I'll open a thread for it (that sounds a bit egotistical, but it's why I asked first!)

[tor]

Sounds like a slimy back door version of Pascal's Wager.

Hahaha. Definitely

[Minimalist]

From what I've been told from religious people (which is why I'm not asking them this question) Atheism "believe" there is no God.

"Religious" people are a bad source....generally because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. (It's a by-product of believing in bullshit.)

For myself, there is no evidence for your god or any of the others invented by the human imagination.

Feel free to produce some - if you can.

(P.S. - the bible doesn't cut it.)

[Hezekiah]

From what I've been told from religious people (which is why I'm not asking them this question) Atheism "believe" there is no God.

"Religious" people are a bad source....generally because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. (It's a by-product of believing in bullshit.)

For myself, there is no evidence for your god or any of the others invented by the human imagination.

Feel free to produce some - if you can.

(P.S. - the bible doesn't cut it.)

Surprisingly, I don't think evidence is possible.

But on the topic of belief, I agree religious people can be a bad source. I've met more than my fair share of religious people who don't know what they are talking about. But I've also met smart people who happened to be religious. I personally choose to value people more than their beliefs, so I don't think I could go as far as to say people who believe differently than I don't know what they are talking about. Because on some basic human level they understand (or I would hope they understand) life outside of their beliefs.

Although I understand what you mean, and in fact agree that religious people can be very ignorant.

[Minimalist]

Surprisingly, I don't think evidence is possible.

Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence!

[Cyberman]

Surprisingly, I don't think evidence is possible.

Then that's game over. Thanks for playing.

[Hezekiah]

Surprisingly, I don't think evidence is possible.

Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence!

That's rather clever! (Correct me if I misunderstood your point but) I'm not trying to debate the existence of God, I'm just trying to bring clarity to the idea of belief. (What is it, is there bad belief, should belief be avoided at all costs, etc.)

And I'm not avoiding the off-subject topic I'll be happy to discuss why I believe in God in any other context (message, new thread, etc). I just don't want to de-rail the thread.

[Minimalist]

And I regard a "god" who cannot be detected as rather pointless. My deist friends around here have such a god.

He did his thing and vanished. So what? Who needs him?

[tor]

Beliefs can be true and false. The message you are looking at exists and if you believe it you're right.
If I say that I own a spaceship and you believe it that belief is false.

[Cyberman]

I have Hitchens' Razor stropped and ready, Min.

For the record and those who may not know, the Razor is usually rendered as: "That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."