Creationist Senators block fossil bill

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LOL, the fact that atheism is included on the religion chart is all the information I need.

Atheism included on a religious chart should inform anyone with half a brain that the chart cannot be trusted.

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How do you explain Scientology then?

Scientology is a religion in the sense that it allows each of its adherents to believe as they wish, which includes religious believers.

Also, it stating God(s) not specified does not mean that there are no higher powers recognized in Scientology.

you stated "a higher being must be acknowledged", and Scientology clearly does not acknowledge one.

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you stated "a higher being must be acknowledged", and Scientology clearly does not acknowledge one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
Scientology's higher being.

[Huggy Bear]

LOL, the fact that atheism is included on the religion chart is all the information I need.

Atheism included on a religious chart should inform anyone with half a brain that the chart cannot be trusted.

As if the chart has a vested interest in displaying "atheism" as a religion.

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you stated "a higher being must be acknowledged", and Scientology clearly does not acknowledge one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
Scientology's higher being.

also from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

When John Carmichael, the president of the Church of Scientology of New York, was asked about the Xenu story, he said, as reported in the September 9, 2007, edition of the Daily Telegraph: "That's not what we believe"

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When John Carmichael, the president of the Church of Scientology of New York, was asked about the Xenu story, he said, as reported in the September 9, 2007, edition of the Daily Telegraph: "That's not what we believe"

As though Scientology has not been caught lying before. Their inner sanctum beliefs are supposedly quite secret, yet ex-Scientologists have already spilled the secrets in regards to what they really believe.

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As you can see, I'm talking about me personally. The fact that you projected it on to all atheists really says something.

Do you remember that your full quote was, itself, a continuation of a conversation we were having about literally what I was talking about?

According to "atheism" (since you used the word moral to imply that orgies are immoral) why would consenting adults having an orgy be wrong? If it's not wrong, then why do you have an issue with what I said.

You got the wrong end of the stick there: I was discussing the entire conversation, since your orgy point was apparently humor. Specifically, why atheists would protest christian anything, if this life was all they had.

And incidentally, I'm fine with orgies.

Apparently you ignored the definition.

re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn]
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:

Nope, none of that. The only thing atheists have in common is lack of belief in a god, and even then the strength of that sentiment varies from person to person. Besides, under that definition, if you want to go so insipidly broad, everything from tennis clubs to the KKK would be their own religions. Congrats, in your quest to score petty points, you've denuded the word religion of any meaning.

First of all, you took a joke I made about myself being an "atheist" and protected it onto all atheists.

Organization√

When did I ever say all atheists? I was specifically speaking on those with motivation to protest, which I thought might be clear from context, but then I've got to remember, you're apparently unable to spot subtleties.

Second you claim you protest for "moral" reasons.

mor·al môrəl,ˈmär-/
a person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do

Beliefs√

My own morals, Huggy, not some overarching set of atheist morals. You could probably find some atheists even in this small group that disagree with me about this. Do try to pay attention without twisting my words to fit your narrative, next time.

You don't have to believe in a God to have a religion.
Welcome to the club.

Fine, if you want to so completely destroy the nature of a word in order to score points, then I'm not going to allow you to dishonestly keep the scope of the word the same either: now we get to shift the conversation up a level of magnification. So atheism's a religion, along with trade unions and university classes and everyone who operates under the strictures of government, so now we've got to narrow in and start discussing only those religions that deal with religious matters (according to the normal, functional human's definition of the word, obviously. Not yours ) Oh, and just because everything's a religion now doesn't make your claims and positions any more solid and factual, so we've got to start discussing these religious religions in terms of rational religious beliefs and irrational ones, so obviously atheism would be the only rational religion since it's the only one paying attention to evidence, and whatever you are would be an irrational religion because it... doesn't, and just makes shit up.

There, done!

I'm not going to let you play this little shell game without making the conversation expand to fit, Huggy.

also from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

Also from that source:

In the relatively few instances in which it has acknowledged Xenu, Scientology has stated the story is a religious writing that can be seen as the equivalent of the Old Testament—in which miraculous events are described that are unlikely to have occurred in real life, assuming true meaning only after years of study.

They're exactly like christianity, Huggy: reluctant to mention those parts of their religion that make them look foolish in the public eye, and so they cherry pick. They're closer to you than you might want to believe.

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False. There are certain criteria that must be met in order for a set of beliefs to be considered derivative of a religion. One of the criteria for religion is that a higher being must be acknowledged.

How do you explain Scientology then?

And apparently atheism is listed on the The Big Religion Chart

Oh, you're still trolling your way through the forum eh?

Well, as atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods, we can all dismiss you as a loon for saying its a religion. Oh, and in addition, morality =/= religion or belief in a stupid god thing.

Anything else, babe? Still refusing to engage on any of the points raised to you whilst parroting on about things you have no idea about? Because I tell you, we all certainly listen to everything you have to say. And I say that with a straight face.

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Scientology is a religion in the sense that it allows each of its adherents to believe as they wish, which includes religious believers.

Also, it stating God(s) not specified does not mean that there are no higher powers recognized in Scientology.

you stated "a higher being must be acknowledged", and Scientology clearly does not acknowledge one.

Aside from how your point has been totally debunked as nonsense (SEE: above), Look up cult of personality.

You can add that up to the myriad other topics that your inferior education has failed to enlighten you on.

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As though Scientology has not been caught lying before. Their inner sanctum beliefs are supposedly quite secret, yet ex-Scientologists have already spilled the secrets in regards to what they really believe.

I'm just saying that Scientology rejects the story of Xenu. Not much of a God if your followers reject you.

Also found this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Atheism is accepted within some religious and spiritual belief systems, including Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Raelism, Neopagan movements[19] such as Wicca,[20] and nontheistic religions. Jainism and some forms of Buddhism do not advocate belief in gods,[21] whereas Hinduism holds atheism to be valid, but some schools view the path of an atheist to be difficult to follow in matters of spirituality.[22]

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