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Poll: Do you think the question "can something come from nothing" is a problem for atheism?
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The question is meaningless
43.59%
17 43.59%
The question is meaningful, and No
30.77%
12 30.77%
The question is meaningful, and Yes
25.64%
10 25.64%
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The following is not a question: Can something come from nothing?
RE: The following is not a question: Can something come from nothing?
Christians aren't idiots, not by default anyway.
I agree with what you said, but without the word idiot.
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RE: The following is not a question: Can something come from nothing?
(April 15, 2014 at 11:14 am)alpha male Wrote:
(April 15, 2014 at 11:10 am)pocaracas Wrote: What is reasonable, when all the rules we know of break down?
Eternal existence or a beginning are two options that IMO would seem reasonable to most people. Seems logical.

Too simplistic. Only change is constant. Most likely the potential for stuff/space/time is eternal. What becomes actualized follows its own seasons or else is completely random. To say that "God determines what becomes actualized" is merely to impose a human framework of intentionality upon what is essentially mysterious. I'm not going to do that.
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RE: The following is not a question: Can something come from nothing?
(April 13, 2014 at 9:11 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(April 13, 2014 at 8:12 pm)ManMachine Wrote: 2. Space and Time (and all attendant concepts such as causality) are not Universal constants but emergent properties
Emergent on what?

Emergent from Quantum systems (as I said in the post).

MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci

"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
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RE: The following is not a question: Can something come from nothing?
quantum is based on what we see but do not understand. It is based on waving and probability. They have no idea what is going but the formulas make nice predictions. If you do not understand this simple phrase do not use quantum soup. Quantum soup is something.

Quantum does not rule out god. Why can't a god (if there is one) work by the rules we do? there is no supernatural. Unless we stick to the definition of "things we don't know". Then even my wife is supernatural.
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RE: The following is not a question: Can something come from nothing?
(April 16, 2014 at 5:50 pm)archangle Wrote: quantum is based on what we see but do not understand. It is based on waving and probability. They have no idea what is going but the formulas make nice predictions. If you do not understand this simple phrase do not use quantum soup. Quantum soup is something.

Quantum does not rule out god. Why can't a god (if there is one) work by the rules we do? there is no supernatural. Unless we stick to the definition of "things we don't know". Then even my wife is supernatural.



"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci

"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
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