Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?

[Thor]

Hmmm.....48 hours and no takers.

Not surprising.

I've been using your list of contradictions to argue with believers on another forum. Not surprisingly, these twits insist that these things are not "contradictions". They tell me that these things are just "different versions" from "different authors". How this doesn't make them contradictions within the context of the Babble mystifies me. It's kind of like somebody saying there are no brown walls. You then point out a brown wall and they respond by saying that is not a brown wall, it's tan.

[TheMultiverseTheory]

They worship a guy of whom they have no clue where he was born (exact location and time), where he died, when and where he "arrose", and also where he died and is currently buried. You would think the burial spot of Christ would be as cherished and saved as the Egyptian Pharoahs and ancient kings of yesterday.

[Minimalist]

Hmmm.....48 hours and no takers.

Not surprising.

I've been using your list of contradictions to argue with believers on another forum. Not surprisingly, these twits insist that these things are not "contradictions". They tell me that these things are just "different versions" from "different authors". How this doesn't make them contradictions within the context of the Babble mystifies me. It's kind of like somebody saying there are no brown walls. You then point out a brown wall and they respond by saying that is not a brown wall, it's tan.

The stupidity of xtians, and their willingness to suspend rationality in furtherance of such stupidity is never a surprise.

Nonetheless:

"According to Matthew 28:1, only “Mary Magdalene and the other Mary.”

"According to John 20:1-4, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb alone"

This is not a different version. This is a contradiction. Either Mary went to the tomb alone or she did not. Both may be, but one MUST BE wrong. It requires an astonishing shithead to argue that this is not a contradiction and obviously you have found some.

BTW, why not ask you pals how come there are different "versions?" Can't god keep his story straight?

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They worship a guy of whom they have no clue where he was born (exact location and time), where he died, when and where he "arrose", and also where he died and is currently buried. You would think the burial spot of Christ would be as cherished and saved as the Egyptian Pharoahs and ancient kings of yesterday.

That is actually a very valid point. There is little evidence in the earliest xtian records of any fascination with any of the so-called holy places. This sort of holy horseshit begins in the 4th century coincidentally or not (my bet is not) at the time Constantine gave xtians the political power to start creating and enforcing mythology.

Origen lived in Caesarea for example but apparently never gave a single thought to making the short journey to "Nazareth" (which probably did exist by Origen's time, if not jesus' alleged time) or Bethlehem.

Certainly, early xtians would have known (unlike modern xtian pilgrims who crawl around Jerusalem on their knees thinking they are following the roads where "jesus" walked) that Hadrian had leveled the ruins of Jerusalem and built a brand new city on top of them.

[Thor]

The stupidity of xtians, and their willingness to suspend rationality in furtherance of such stupidity is never a surprise.

Nonetheless:

"According to Matthew 28:1, only “Mary Magdalene and the other Mary.”

"According to John 20:1-4, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb alone"

This is not a different version. This is a contradiction. Either Mary went to the tomb alone or she did not. Both may be, but one MUST BE wrong. It requires an astonishing shithead to argue that this is not a contradiction and obviously you have found some.

Yeah, they claim the verse in John does not specifically state that she was alone. They say that this verse merely fails to mention the others that were with her.

Gag.

Somehow they can always find an explanation that satisfies themselves.

[Minimalist]

Yes, the last point is completely valid. They set the bar very low for accepting bible bullshit. In effect, anyone who tells them that their fairy tales are okay is fine....plausible or not. This tendency is discussed in relation to the Tyre "prophecy" here.


http://davematson.edwardtbabinski.us/prophecy_tyre.html

Bible-believers are full of clever (and some not so clever) rationalizations. The crucial question, however, is not whether "answers" can be generated in response to Bible difficulties but whether credible answers can be produced. What is the best explanation? Bible-believers seem to think that any loophole, however improbable, that gets the Bible off the hook has solved the problem. Thus, it is not surprising that different, conflicting answers are often presented side by side. It never seems to occur to these people that such logic will also support the story of Goldilocks and the three bears! Or the Koran. Or, anything else. Once we abandon the probable in favor of the improbable--or even the less probable--we have abandoned objectivity. Without objectivity, there is not much hope of finding the truth; we only succeed in confirming our own prejudiced views--even as a group of flat-Earth folks in California did for years in their newsletters.

Matson goes on to discuss Tyre but his position is correct for virtually anything. These people can convince themselves of almost anything because they have an inherent wish to deceive themselves.

[Minimalist]

Hey, Thor....

This comment bugged me for a few hours

Yeah, they claim the verse in John does not specifically state that she was alone.

Do your xtian buddies know that none of their fucking gospels "specifically state" that anyone saw jesus "rise from the dead?" In fact, the gospel of "Peter" is the only one to contain a description of the actual resurrection event and adds in two giant angels, a super-sized Jesus, and a talking cross emerging from the empty tomb! It was regarded as too fucking stupid even for xtians which really says a lot.

So I guess your pals don't believe that jc came back from the dead either since no one there at the time specifically claimed to see it?


You might enjoy this, amigo.



http://www.religionfacts.com/christianit...counts.htm

[Thor]

Hey, Thor....

This comment bugged me for a few hours

Yeah, they claim the verse in John does not specifically state that she was alone.

Do your xtian buddies know that none of their fucking gospels "specifically state" that anyone saw jesus "rise from the dead?" In fact, the gospel of "Peter" is the only one to contain a description of the actual resurrection event and adds in two giant angels, a super-sized Jesus, and a talking cross emerging from the empty tomb! It was regarded as too fucking stupid even for xtians which really says a lot.

So I guess your pals don't believe that jc came back from the dead either since no one there at the time specifically claimed to see it?


You might enjoy this, amigo.



http://www.religionfacts.com/christianit...counts.htm

Thanks! This is some god ammo! I'll be sure to use this stuff in my next go-round with these dopes. I could use soemone like you on my other posting site. It's a religious forum and, not surprisingly, believers heavily outnumber atheists. Sometimes it's just me battling three or four of these dimwits.

[Minimalist]

Generally, I don't join religious forums for two reasons.

1- Their unrelenting dickheadedness is intolerable. Stupid people give me gas and I'd be farting constantly on a xtian board. Also, I saw one where instead of "kudos" they were giving each other "blessings." It was fucking nauseating.

2- I am quite intolerant of religious assholes who show up here, dump a load of jesus shit on our carpet and then stand there and scream that it doesn't smell. Were I to do the same thing to them I would lose the moral high ground when they show up here acting like assholes.

[tavarish]

I'm on christianforums as well. Blessings all around!

I just checked and I have 3,625 blessings.

Shit.

[fr0d0]

meh ...7,448 - and I've hardly visited. Sounds like a place for Sae :S