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Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
Those historical 'tidbits' are very useful for dating some portions of the story though. For that reason I highly recommend Israel Finkelstein's The Bible Unearthed.

For example. The town of Ai (which means "ruin" ) is one of the towns that "Joshua" supposedly destroyed. Yet archaeology has shown that Ai was demolished at the end of the Early Bronze Age (c 2200 BC) and not rebuilt until the Iron Age. Obviously, people made up stories to account for the ruined city in their midst...much as they did with Sodom and Gomorrah.

Second example, the Philistines. The bible writers were aware of these people living on their coast and sort of portray them as the Klingons of the time. But that awareness translates into no understanding that the Philistines were relatively recent arrivals to the area. The Philistines ( Peleset to the Egyptians) were part of the Sea People confederation and only settled in Canaan in the mid-12th century ( c 1155BC) after being defeated by the Egyptians. To the biblical writers (writing centuries later) the Philistines had ALWAYS been there....just as Ai had always been there! Hence when they invent the Exodus tale 'god' warns them not to take the northern route through the land of the Philistines because...I guess... while god had just kicked the Egyptians' asses the Philistines were just too tough for him?

Another excellent archaeological book for the layman is Bill Dever's, Who Were the Early Israelites and Where Did They Come From? In it, he gives a virtual travelogue of "Joshua's conquest" of cities which were not there or not occupied at the time!
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RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
(April 16, 2010 at 11:54 am)chatpilot Wrote: Arguing with some believers is like talking to a rock and expecting a response. The fundies are the worst of the lot, they are so brain washed that nothing in this world makes sense unless it has their god or their savior inscribed in it somewhere. Their arguments for god are similar to a child's argument that the tooth fairy came to see them last night.

I've had arguments with these god-tards where they insist "God" has a "plan" and everything happens "for a reason". I always ask how Hitler fit into this "plan" and what was the "reason" Hitler was allowed to live. They always respond with absolute nonsense. I've even had them tell me that having Hitler might have prevented something worse from happening!

What the hell could have POSSIBLY been worse than Hitler?
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.

God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
(April 16, 2010 at 12:14 pm)Thor Wrote: What the hell could have POSSIBLY been worse than Hitler?

The Crusades?
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RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
(April 16, 2010 at 12:14 pm)Thor Wrote: What the hell could have POSSIBLY been worse than Hitler?

Two Hitlers riding a dragon.
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RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
Someone as venomousness and Evil as Hitler but also able to win the war.

EvF
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RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
(April 16, 2010 at 1:59 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Someone as venomousness and Evil as Hitler but also able to win the war.

EvF



Joe Stalin, perhaps?
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RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
(April 16, 2010 at 12:23 pm)Paul the Human Wrote:
(April 16, 2010 at 12:14 pm)Thor Wrote: What the hell could have POSSIBLY been worse than Hitler?

The Crusades?

Good one! The next time one of these twits tells me that having Hitler possibly prevented something worse from happening, I'll reply, "You may be right! Maybe having Hitler prevented us from having another religious Crusade!"
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.

God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
Hitler considered himself a fine xtian....


Quote:My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.


And, as far as I can see, he was.
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RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
I have made that same argument several times since I started on AF, alot of xtians say he wasn't a true xtian and that he was just insane but I have read Mein Kampf and it is evident that he considered himself a xtian and his mission of exterminating the Jews from god himself. He believed he was avenging Jesus for being crucified and he blamed the Jews for the death of JC
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

http://chatpilot-godisamyth.blogspot.com/

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RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
Yeah - Hitler was not the first anti-semitic German xtian. He was the culmination of a long history of it.
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