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Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm)RDK Wrote: Randomness just creates more randomness.

Everything is random. It is humans who, disliking the unknown, prefer to assign meaning and order to everything.

(May 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm)RDK Wrote: You will not accept a single facet of an opposing viewpoint because you are close-minded.

Seems as though you are describing yourself more than us.
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm)RDK Wrote:


You will not accept a single facet of an opposing viewpoint because you are close-minded. Don't get upset if I state the obvious.

That's funny, because that's exactly what we can say about creationists

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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 11, 2014 at 6:46 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Still, you fail to grasp the enormity enormous magnitude of the numbers we're dealing with, here.

You wouldn't have had just one single initial self replicating organic compound... you'd get... Avogadro's constant of them.

But you speak of animals... which just says you don't know anything, nor have you given it any honest thought...

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(May 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm)RDK Wrote: Randomness just creates more randomness. It's kind of like watching the TV after all the broadcasters have signed off for the night. You see the TV snow which is just equal amounts of white and black bouncing around all over the screen. You can watch this for all eternity, and you never see one good program. You can increase the size of the screen but the randomness just gets greater.
If you see life around here, it's not because of random chance. You belief that through unproven methods of observation. You were told that this method makes sense, so, you believe it. The scientists have had to take a leap of faith in order to assume that we all came about by accident. You will not accept a single facet of an opposing viewpoint because you are close-minded. Don't get upset if I state the obvious.

Randomness is an interesting topic, but evolution by natural selection is not random.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm)RDK Wrote: Randomness just creates more randomness.

Except, y'know, chemistry.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
When you find a chemical that makes life, let me know. We have been mixing the chemical pot for years without any success on making life. We have torn apart various component parts of living things, and have reformed combinations which are different from anything before, but that is not life. We are changing the portions of parts which were alive into new positions and say we have created life. We can combine but so far we do not create anything from scratch.
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 11, 2014 at 7:26 pm)RDK Wrote: When you find a chemical that makes life, let me know. We have been mixing the chemical pot for years without any success on making life. We have torn apart various component parts of living things, and have reformed combinations which are different from anything before, but that is not life. We are changing the portions of parts which were alive into new positions and say we have created life. We can combine but so far we do not create anything from scratch.

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"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 11, 2014 at 7:26 pm)RDK Wrote: When you find a chemical that makes life, let me know.

Missing the point. You've been arguing about the astronomical implausibility of atoms combining in exactly the right way to allow life to happen. Chemical bonds and polymerisation are not at all random. They are the atomic and molecular equivalent of differently shaped pegs only fitting into matching holes. In other words, there are only so many ways for atoms and hence molecules to combine.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 11, 2014 at 7:26 pm)RDK Wrote: When you find a chemical that makes life, let me know. We have been mixing the chemical pot for years without any success on making life. We have torn apart various component parts of living things, and have reformed combinations which are different from anything before, but that is not life. We are changing the portions of parts which were alive into new positions and say we have created life. We can combine but so far we do not create anything from scratch.

What does that have to do with evolution?

Take abiogenesis away, and evolution is still the only demonstratively true theory.

"Dunno, God Musta Dun Did It" is not a theory.
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 11, 2014 at 6:20 pm)RDK Wrote: If odds are so far against the chance production of life by accident, why not consider an alternate.

"Invisible being from outside time and space poofed life into existence from dirt with a few magic words and a deep breath" is by no metric an explanation with better odds. Sorry.
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 11, 2014 at 8:52 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:
(May 11, 2014 at 6:20 pm)RDK Wrote: If odds are so far against the chance production of life by accident, why not consider an alternate.

"Invisible being from outside time and space poofed life into existence from dirt with a few magic words and a deep breath" is by no metric an explanation with better odds. Sorry.

You're not supposed to put it that way.

You're supposed to say "goddidit" and leave it at that.

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