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Prayer Studies
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 RE: Prayer Studies
May 20, 2014 at 2:29 pm
(This post was last modified: May 20, 2014 at 3:27 pm by ThePinsir.)
Wouldn't OP then have to admit Jesus lied when he said "whatever you ask in my name you will receive"?
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I'm a goddess, I'm a mother I'm a sinner, I'm a saint I do not feel ashamed   RE: Prayer Studies
May 20, 2014 at 3:22 pm
(This post was last modified: May 20, 2014 at 3:23 pm by Heywood.)
(May 20, 2014 at 3:17 pm)Cato Wrote:(May 20, 2014 at 3:14 pm)Heywood Wrote: OP doesn't believe that if you ask God for something He will grant you your request. ThePinsir decided to claim that I believe something I never claimed to believe(he should be admonished for making shit up). I have a right to set the record straight. RE: Prayer Studies
May 20, 2014 at 3:27 pm
(This post was last modified: May 20, 2014 at 3:28 pm by ThePinsir.)
(May 20, 2014 at 3:22 pm)Heywood Wrote:(May 20, 2014 at 3:17 pm)Cato Wrote: And here I thought the base religion for the purpose of the discussion was Christianity, not Heywoodism. There is clearly a question mark at the end of my post. I was asking a question, yo. So, did Jesus lie in that passage (Matthew 7:7)? What's the deal? Why don't sincere, devout believers have literally whatever that ask god for?
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I'm a goddess, I'm a mother I'm a sinner, I'm a saint I do not feel ashamed  (May 20, 2014 at 3:27 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: Why don't sincere, devout believers have literally whatever that ask god for? The standard answer is no believer is a devout enough believer. This same principle is applied to believers with doubt issues. They're simply told in an infinite loop to have "more faith". Since the required amount isn't stated, one can always be told to have more.  (May 20, 2014 at 4:08 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: The standard answer is no believer is a devout enough believer.Some Christians will explain that the prayer must ask for something that is in accordance with god's will. To simply ask for something for the 'wrong' reasons (like asking that your obnoxious neighbor get hit by a bus) is kind of like abusing the prayer system and god doesn't roll that way. So just make sure that whatever you ask for is in keeping with what god wants. Which is to say, you should pray for god to do what god already wants to do. So that he'll, you know... do it.
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-Stephen Jay Gould  (May 20, 2014 at 4:12 pm)Tonus Wrote: Some Christians will explain that the prayer must ask for something that is in accordance with god's will. To simply ask for something for the 'wrong' reasons (like asking that your obnoxious neighbor get hit by a bus) is kind of like abusing the prayer system and god doesn't roll that way. So just make sure that whatever you ask for is in keeping with what god wants. Obviously these Christians haven't read their bible. He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. http://biblehub.com/2_kings/2-24.htm  (May 20, 2014 at 12:12 pm)Heywood Wrote: So you blame theism because some scientist conduct bad experiments? I just blame bad scientists for conducting poor experiments. Actually, I'm blaming theists for configuring their beliefs- either beforehand or retroactively- so that no good science experiments can ever be conducted, and then turning around to blame the scientists. I also guarantee you that if these studies had yielded positive results for prayer, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Which is part of the problem; the only results theists will accept are the ones that confirm their pre-existing beliefs. All others are the fault of "poor experiments."
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Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects!  (May 20, 2014 at 12:12 pm)Heywood Wrote:(May 18, 2014 at 3:02 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I'm saying that I agree with your conclusion, but that I disagree with the idea that the scientific methodology is purely at fault, considering the amorphous concept the experiments sought to test. Any scientific measure of prayer is pointless because the god concept is formulated to defy falsifiability, and is often changed on the fly to keep it that way; just criticizing the methodology behind the experiment is missing the root cause, is my point. Re-read post #54. Testing the effect of prayer is a valid experiment.
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