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Meat eating ethical?
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 (May 28, 2014 at 6:54 pm)KUSA Wrote:(May 28, 2014 at 6:38 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote: Obviously showing he was unhappy. Ah, that is a fine question. Perhaps buy them a car, or give them a steak dinner, maybe expensive things, or many toys . . . . Unlike humans animals don't require much to be happy. Don't hit them. Don't cage them Don't subject them to horrid living situations Basically if you have a pet, keeping them happy is very easy. RE: Meat eating ethical?
May 28, 2014 at 7:17 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2014 at 7:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The "need for meat", more accurately, the need for livestock production was -already- "fixed by technology"......thats why we turn oil into food. Course..I don't know if animals et all made off better or worse for it( I suspect worse..but at least we hide the misery off-farm, eh?)..isn't working out for us humans very well though.
-Feeds alot of people-, combined with -and the livestock is very well off-...would be a pretty persuasive argument...to my mind. Obviously opinions vary.
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May 28, 2014 at 7:22 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2014 at 7:23 pm by vorlon13.)
I come from an extensive farm back ground and there are 2 kinds of cows. Cow cows, and 4H cows (calves actually). I've noticed they have remarkably different personalities. The 4H critters rapidly adopt pet like demeanors, and of course, with much less human interaction, cow cows are just cows. It does seem a certain small degree of (FLOABW) cruelty occurs when the 4H variety is butchered and eaten, although, I would suspect the actual instant of stunning comes as a total surprise, and since it is instantaneously fatal, probably not something I'm fretting too much about.
I do have a problem with kosher slaughter, I'm of the opinion the animals for the most part suffer greatly compared to the stunner. Disclaimer: I have knowingly eaten 4H calf meat.  RE: Meat eating ethical?
May 28, 2014 at 7:49 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2014 at 7:50 pm by Duke Guilmon.)
(May 28, 2014 at 4:43 pm)Tea Earl Grey Hot Wrote:(May 28, 2014 at 4:26 pm)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote: The fact that they aren't humans nor pets. Yeah, nature is nature. Humans aren't superior to any animal, but we must think about other humans first before pets, and pets before wild animals. Now if we are killing endangered animals there is a problem, but if the population is healthy hunting and eating animals is not wrong. ![[Image: guilmon_evolution_by_davidgtm3-d4gb5rp.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=orig15.deviantart.net%2F1dbf%2Ff%2F2011%2F319%2F3%2F3%2Fguilmon_evolution_by_davidgtm3-d4gb5rp.gif) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOW_Ioi2wtuPa88FvBmnBgQ my youtube
  (May 28, 2014 at 4:43 pm)Tea Earl Grey Hot Wrote: So, if a superior alien race came to earth, would it be ethical for them to eat us? By their standards, it may very well be ethical for them to eat us. The ones doing the eating are usually the ones defining the ethics of it.
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May 28, 2014 at 10:15 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2014 at 11:12 pm by Lek.)
It's just part of the natural food chain. Animals eat other animals and we're no different in that respect. We're the only creatures that raise other animals in cages to be eaten probably because we're the only ones that have that ability. I do believe we have the responsibility to treat these animals ethically and not cause them undue suffering. Standard methods of slaughter are quick and painless compared to the deaths of most animals in the wild. If aliens had souls like we do, that makes them a special creation like us, and I figure it would be immoral to eat us. If there is no God or spirit, if we're are all just more or less evolved animals, then I guess it comes down to survival of the fittest.
From the religiousite perspective, an alien from another planet would have to be, by definition, not a son of Adam, and therefore, regardless of apparent sentience and intelligence, it would not be an ensouled living being.
(and yes, I am aware the Pope is REALLY confused about this) And as such, it's status would be equivalent to an animal. Now, as to whether or not we'd eat 'em, I would suggest making sure they aren't looking for an excuse to nuke us, and I'd think the testing needed to ascertain if they would be SAFE to eat, might take millions, if not billions of dollars, and might take decades. Hope you're not hungry. (my safe to eat concerns are centered around doing long term toxicity and prion effects on ALL alien proteins and their analogs. It would be EXTREMELY difficult and expensive to determine the edibility of an alien life form!!!)  (May 28, 2014 at 10:15 pm)Lek Wrote: It's just part of the natural food chain. Animals eat other animals and we're no different in that respect. We're the only creatures that raise other animals in cages to be eaten probably because we're the only ones that have that ability. I do believe we have the responsibility to treat these animals ethically and not cause them undue suffering. Standards methods of slaughter are quick and painless compared to the deaths of most animals in the wild. Fuck. I hate it when I have to agree with a xtian. |
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