A Serious Question For Theists

[Godscreated]

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Listen you blind ignorant idiot, I wasn't trying to determine anything I was looking for information, if people do not want to share fine, but if they do not then they shouldn't complain when I do not take them at their word. I've been told the very same thing, if I do not explain or give reason then I should not expect people to believe what I say. Just expect the same out of others as they expect out of me.

GC

I wonder if there are sure signs you would look for to determine if any self-proclaimed ex-xtian was ever a true xtian. I wonder if you think it is possible for someone who feels and thinks exactly what you do to lose faith and change their mind. Personally, I do think so.

I also think it is possible for someone who thinks and feels exactly the way I do about the god-belief question to change their mind and become a believer. I don't predict I will. But if someone else should I won't feel hurt and disappointed. Nor will I disavow that they were ever the same as me.

I believe there are believers who change their belief, if I didn't I would be discounting scriptures, Paul said there are those who have fallen away. It's to bad some here can't believe I wanted to know why or if they challenged themselves to seek God on a regular bases. I was not looking for ammo against anyone. But they will believe what they will and there's nothing I can do to change their mistrust of Christians.

GC

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The answer is no,

And there it is, another self proclaimed christian (not that any of us believe that he really is, after all, where's the evidence?) desperate to shirk accountability. This tells me all I need to know, that you just want to pull the same tricks everyone pulls whenever they get it into their heads to do this: you want to move the goalposts by making them invisible, operating under a secret, amorphous set of conditions that change so that nobody is a True Christian until they fall exactly in line with what you claim to believe. Do exactly as GC wants, but don't pray over a potato cake at three forty nine in the morning every April fourth? Whoops, not a True Christian! Your religiousness was a lie!

What a dishonest, and thoroughly unsurprising, move from you, GC.

I know that it's peer pressure that causes these former believers not to reveal what they did, their afraid of being embarrassed.

I'll be interested to know how you gained the telepathic powers necessary to know what other people whom you don't know are thinking. Do tell.

Or is it that you're just making a mockery of what knowledge is again?

Deals are not part of a discussion and I wasn't looking to put anyone down, I wanted to see if these people actually tried.

No, you wanted to disparage everyone else in your typical passive aggressive way, let's not bullshit around here. If you wanted to see if they'd tried, if that was actually the reason, then you'd have no problem with telling us what constitutes "trying" ahead of time. But you won't, because what you really want to do is point the finger at everyone else.

You see they should do this because they have their own courage, not because you convinced them to. Actually I would be offended by your proposal to convince me to speak up, who do you believe you are that you have control or authority over these who say they once believed.

I said encourage, you loon.

They are their own persons and can decide for themselves. If they do refuse it will give Christians grounds to doubt their sincerity,

Well, since you aren't a christian- at least, I haven't seen any evidence of it- then that's okay.

I've shared my pre-Christian past without a care as what other Christians thought, why since I did is it such a big deal for the former believers. You talk about moving the goal post, if I were to present a set of conditions then the former believers could move their goal post to meet the conditions, so once again No.

GC

What's to stop the former believers from exaggerating their accounts anyway? Nothing at all. See, that's the thing; all your excuses are easy to dismantle with a little thought, leaving the dishonest heart of your motivations plain to see.

Interesting also that you'd ask the question, and then in the next breath accuse everyone you want to answer it of being potential liars; do you want to hear the answer or not? Because immediately introducing the idea that they'll all lie if they know what the details of the question actually are kind of hints that you don't really care what the answer is.

Oh, and I thought only god could judge who is and isn't a true christian? Why keep the conditions secret as though you can judge these people, then? Are you better at this than god?

Oh right, you're not a christian, you don't believe in god.

You are less than a sniveling little brat, you are the one who ruins most of the arguments that take place here, it was a sad day when you were born. It always has to be your way or it's wrong, moma raised a brat of the grosses kind, I hope she's proud of something less than human. I have more respect for worms and value them more than I would ever value you. I guess you're getting what you wanted all along to ban me well go ahead I couldn't care less, at least I want have to put up with your arrogant self serving snotty nosed cry baby crap.

Godschild

[rexbeccarox]

Ok, then. Since you refuse to do the thing you're asking Cthu to do, don't expect us to believe you're a Christian now.

I have shared what I've done as a Christian here many times, sorry you missed out on what I said.

GC

I can recall at least a few times Cthu has offered up anecdotes from his time as a Christian too. Sorry you missed those.

What makes you a Christian? And what gives you the authority to decide if anyone else was ever a Christian?

[Rampant.A.I.]

Hit a nerve?

[rexbeccarox]

I think you broke him, Esq.

[Esquilax]

I think you broke him, Esq.

Holy shit, guy's really swinging wild with the ad homs, there. To the hall of shame!

I'd call it highly unchristian behavior, if we didn't know that he isn't a christian due to lack of evidence.

[Jackalope]

I have shared what I've done as a Christian here many times, sorry you missed out on what I said.

GC

I can recall at least a few times Cthu has offered up anecdotes from his time as a Christian too. Sorry you missed those.

Indeed I have. What I won't do is do so on demand when I question someone's motives (not you, GC - You've been around long enough that I know where you're coming from, I see it as unfortunate that you don't understand this.)

[TubbyTubby]

..it was a sad day when you were born. It always has to be your way or it's wrong, moma raised a brat of the grosses kind, I hope she's proud of something less than human..

Oh dear, this is like watching a car crash in slow motion. Is that really a christian attitude? Your god is very unimpressed I can tell you - he's just sent me an email regarding your behaviour.

I hope you don't get banned, I want to watch you fall apart post by post.

[Jacob(smooth)]

You are less than a sniveling little brat, you are the one who ruins most of the arguments that take place here, it was a sad day when you were born. It always has to be your way or it's wrong, moma raised a brat of the grosses kind, I hope she's proud of something less than human. I have more respect for worms and value them more than I would ever value you. 

In your anger do not sin: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry. Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.  Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."  (Ephesians 4:26, 29 31-32)

A wise man restrains his anger and overlooks insults.  This is too his credit." (Proverbs 19:11, LB)

Surprised at you GC!

[Fidel_Castronaut]

You are less than a sniveling little brat, you are the one who ruins most of the arguments that take place here, it was a sad day when you were born. It always has to be your way or it's wrong, moma raised a brat of the grosses kind, I hope she's proud of something less than human. I have more respect for worms and value them more than I would ever value you. I guess you're getting what you wanted all along to ban me well go ahead I couldn't care less, at least I want have to put up with your arrogant self serving snotty nosed cry baby crap.

Godschild

A true Christian solider.

[Mudhammam]

In your anger do not sin: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry. Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.  Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."  (Ephesians 4:26, 29 31-32)

A wise man restrains his anger and overlooks insults.  This is too his credit." (Proverbs 19:11, LB)

Surprised at you GC!

It's cool, the blood of Jesus has got his ass covered.