Abortion is morally wrong

[fr0d0]

Uh... who are you to assign your morals onto others? Who are you to tell anyone what is morally "permissible"? IOW: who died and made you god?

Interesting. Only morals that we can collectively agree upon are enforced by law.

Whereas everything moral is the responsibility of the individual. It somehow makes things worse for an authority to dictate morals. You lose ownership of your actions.

[Little lunch]

Losty, how was Frodo deliberately lying?
Godslayer, what did you mean?
Why evade the questions?

You see how you said lying, when I didn't say lying? That is called misrepresenting. Frodo said shouldn't be allowed when Godslayer simply said shouldn't. That is also misrepresenting. You see?

I see what you mean by misrepresenting but I thought the addition of the word deliberate made it akin to lying.
I did misrepresent you by adding my own word.
I'll remember not to do that in the future. :-)

[Brian37]

It is when you kill someone who you are responsible for putting there in the first place.

Finally we get to the gist of your argument. Slut-shaming. Fuck off, Artie.

Women have rights in the modern world. Sucks to be you.

I have yet to hear any response from a pro birther as to what the punishment should be, not for the doctor, but for the girl/women who has one. 1 degree murder has to be the charge because it is pre meditated. Are these assholes going to put a 12 year old girl or even a 20 year old women in prison for the rest of their lives or put them on death row? The keep wanting to equate abortion to murder. I submit these fuckers don't have the guts to put their money where their mouths are.

There is no science in their argument at all, it is just more bullshit appeal to emotion.

[Arthur123]

Now I understand your case much better Esquilax, however, I would say that being alive is a mode of a thing not some added on property. Inherent in certain sentences is categorical truths. For example, when we say bob dies it is inherent in that statement is that Bob is not alive. When I say killing a fetus is wrong, Implied in that statement is that it is alive. Life is a necessary property in regards to the statement killing a fetus is wrong rather than a contingent property.

Kindest regards,

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Julia L, I am stating that a fetus is a human being because it is genetically complete in its human information, and belongs to the species homo sapiens.

[Mr Greene]

genetics is all that matters.

So it's 99% immoral to kill a chimp?

[Arthur123]

Mr. Green, is that from Esquilax? Im sorry but I am confused if he wrote that responses or you.
It has been argued in many ethical circles that killing animals is immoral but as you say not to the same extent as killing as human being. I believe you have it right there. As for reaping from visibility any voice that disagrees with me? How am I doing that? I simply presented an argument and thus far I have not seen any adequate defeaters for this argument.

[Bad Wolf]

I'm sorry, what argument is this that we haven't defeated?
Your simple assertion that abortion is murder is not an arguement. Again and again, we have tried to make you understand why your definition is wrong, but you just don't get it.

[Broseph Ballin]

Mr. Green, is that from Esquilax? Im sorry but I am confused if he wrote that responses or you.
It has been argued in many ethical circles that killing animals is immoral but as you say not to the same extent as killing as human being. I believe you have it right there. As for reaping from visibility any voice that disagrees with me? How am I doing that? I simply presented an argument and thus far I have not seen any adequate defeaters for this argument.

Sperm and eggs are living things. So that means whenever a guy jacks off and whenever a woman ovulates, they commit "murder". That also means when a man and woman have sex, any sperm that doesn't fertilize the egg (which is the vast majority of the sperm), is "murdered". Gay guys who have sex commit "murder". How many bugs have you "murdered" by accident, out of annoyance, and/or without knowing? When you wash your hands, you "murder" billions of bacteria and germ cells. When you get an abortion in early pregnancy, you "murder" a bundle of cells that resulted from sperm fertilizing an egg.

What do these all have in common? They are tiny, insignificant organisms, and none of them are humans. If you're going to fight against abortion, you might as well also fight against masturbation, female periods, hand washing and a ton of other perfectly normal actions that result in "murder".

[fr0d0]

If the ability to experience pain and happiness is an indicator of a functional homo sapien then the mother's abilities supersedes those of the unborn child which doesn't possess those abilities.

[Arthur123]

Bad Wolf, when someone states a proposition, unless there is a defeater (undercutting or otherwise) it can be said that the proposition is true. Since I believe my definition to be the most coherent definitional statement in regards to human beings and this consistency (thus far) has not been defeated I am reasonable in asserting its truthfulness. What defeaters, if any, have I not responded to thus far? (I have been purposely ignoring trolls, however. I think you would agree that this is reasonable.) And if I have responded, why is my response lacking?