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What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
(August 19, 2014 at 2:33 pm)revivin Wrote:
(August 19, 2014 at 2:30 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his profit?

You know Allah is not God because you can't come along six centuries later and say Jesus didn't die on the cross with no evidence.

I love it when presups bring up evidence.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
Evidence is in the sand of time. Rub' al khali
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
(August 19, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Chuck Wrote: Cause is an artifact of time.

We know cause and effect are not restricted to artifacts of time because if there was an infinite regress of cause and effects of time, you would have happened already having had an eternity to do so.
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
(August 19, 2014 at 2:33 pm)revivin Wrote: You know Allah is not God because you can't come along six centuries later and say Jesus didn't die on the cross with no evidence.
Well it seems as if someone did come along six centuries later and make that claim, therefore Allah must be god.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
(August 19, 2014 at 2:37 pm)Tonus Wrote: Well it seems as if someone did come along six centuries later and make that claim, therefore Allah must be god.

Why just some guy in a cave all by himself making that claim means it's true without any evidence?
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
(August 19, 2014 at 2:39 pm)revivin Wrote:
(August 19, 2014 at 2:37 pm)Tonus Wrote: Well it seems as if someone did come along six centuries later and make that claim, therefore Allah must be god.

Why just some guy in a cave all by himself making that claim means it's true without any evidence?

The koran proves its true, it says so in the koran. I can't think of any better evidence, can you?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
(August 19, 2014 at 2:39 pm)revivin Wrote:
(August 19, 2014 at 2:37 pm)Tonus Wrote: Well it seems as if someone did come along six centuries later and make that claim, therefore Allah must be god.
Why just some guy in a cave all by himself making that claim means it's true without any evidence?
You based your rejection of Allah on something that you claim couldn't be done, but it was done. Therefore Allah is god.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
(August 19, 2014 at 2:40 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The koran proves its true, it says so in the koran. I can't think of any better evidence, can you?

How does that overturn the evidence of the 27 books that Jesus died on the cross?
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
(August 19, 2014 at 2:40 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(August 19, 2014 at 2:39 pm)revivin Wrote: Why just some guy in a cave all by himself making that claim means it's true without any evidence?

The koran proves its true, it says so in the koran. I can't think of any better evidence, can you?

The hadiths and my parents
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
Cause and effect are defined by time. Reverse time and cause and effect reverses.

The argument from you already having happened is the stupidest argument yet conceived by Christianity. It asserts that which it can not disproved to be false, and upon this imaginary foundation construct something which does not follow even if the proposition is accepted to be false.

So I may or may not have already happened, so what? Prove I have not already happened a infinite number of times before?
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