Brown and the word "robbery".....

[Mister Agenda]

So would either of you care to describe a rule to teach to policemen about being attacked while they are armed? Currently the cop is taught that he is not to let an assailant gain control of his weapon, so that any serious attacks on himself are to be met with deadly force.

How would you change the rules for cops? What rule should they be taught for violent attacks on themselves?

See "necessary force" and "escalation of force". The rules are decent in and of themselves, it's just that people tend to either ignore them or twist them to make any reaction they want seem like the right reaction. Which is why we're supposed to have oversight committees and investigations.

If you've got your hands on a cop, you've already escalated to the point where the cop has to consider you going for his or her gun, and no time to think it through.

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So, is it true that the cop's eyesocket is fractured?

[Brian37]

See "necessary force" and "escalation of force". The rules are decent in and of themselves, it's just that people tend to either ignore them or twist them to make any reaction they want seem like the right reaction. Which is why we're supposed to have oversight committees and investigations.

If you've got your hands on a cop, you've already escalated to the point where the cop has to consider you going for his or her gun, and no time to think it through.

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So, is it true that the cop's eyesocket is fractured?

BULLSHIT, civilians are not trained cops. Just like in Karate and any martial arts, it is up to you to know when to back off.

I don't give one fuck what happened at that car. You do not shoot someone in the back when they are not facing you and you do not shoot them when they are trying to give up.

[Brakeman]

I don't give one fuck what happened at that car. You do not shoot someone in the back when they are not facing you and you do not shoot them when they are trying to give up.

Why do you continue to spread these lies?

Michal Brown was never shot in the back! He also was only shot in the charging position. The examination of Michael Brown's body shows the real truth, not what racists want it to be. The Brown Family hired their own Medical Examiner and he concurred that the first black witnesses had lied, Michael was not shot in the back, and there was no standing wounds that would have dropped him in order to shoot him in the direction of the top of the head. The evidence shows clearly that Brown was charging the cop when he was killed.

Face the facts!

[Brian37]

What lies?

Nope, the autopsy can only be taken into account with what the witnesses said, and it is consistent with falling not rushing.

TWO shots to the head, one to the crown of the head.

So if we assume a rush, ythat would mean his head was lowered and the first shot would be to the crown of his head. You'd stupidly have me believe that magically someone would be able to lift their head then get shot in the eye?

BUT, he got shot in the eye first, that would cause anyone to lose their body functions and stumble forward, that is when the last shot to the crown of his head happened. Not during a rush, but during a fall.

And something hit him as he was running otherwise why stop running?

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But again, this isn't even about one case or one dead guy or one cop.

THIS is about the conditioning of society and cops causing fear of both long term that leads to these conditions in the first place.

EVEN IF we give this cop the benefit of the doubt, the long term problem is that we are not addressing poverty or training of cops. We treat white teens who do the same thing differently. We still train cops to fear the worst and assume the worst, which is going to cause society to fear them.

[Diablo]

I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has been mentioned. But the police force ideally should mirror the ethnic make up of the area being policed, and so should the administration. More effort should be made in that direction, imho.

[Brian37]

I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has been mentioned. But the police force ideally should mirror the ethnic make up of the area being policed, and so should the administration. More effort should be made in that direction, imho.

That would help, but you are still left with economic issues and cop training.

[Diablo]

I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has been mentioned. But the police force ideally should mirror the ethnic make up of the area being policed, and so should the administration. More effort should be made in that direction, imho.

That would help, but you are still left with economic issues and cop training.

Oh, for sure, but at least trying to rectify the racism issue would help.

[Brian37]

What we need to do to not make this a race issue is to stop allowing corporate welfare. And the times when there is investment in a poor community, we cant simply price them out of living there which forces poor people to move.

It still amounts to pay gap and cost of living. That and that alone will solve race issues and cop training issues.

[Diablo]

Hmm, I don't know much about it, in fact I just had to google the term.

[Brakeman]

What lies?

Nope, the autopsy can only be taken into account with what the witnesses said, and it is consistent with falling not rushing.

TWO shots to the head, one to the crown of the head.

So if we assume a rush, ythat would mean his head was lowered and the first shot would be to the crown of his head. You'd stupidly have me believe that magically someone would be able to lift their head then get shot in the eye?

BUT, he got shot in the eye first, that would cause anyone to lose their body functions and stumble forward, that is when the last shot to the crown of his head happened. Not during a rush, but during a fall.

Yes, Bare-assed Lies.

Look at the autopsy chart and read the descriptions, the "eye" entry was at the eyebrow and passed down through his cheek.

Those are the only two body shots other than the arms. Shooting someone in the arm doesn't make them fall. No shots match a standing Brown with his hands up.

Here's the autopsy sketch by the Family's ME.


If you care to actually look at the facts instead of your racist opinion,
you can see that the eyebrow wound passed through his cheek and into his neck base.

Also if you look at the arm wounds, the first going up from the fingertips, is a shot that goes the length of the thumb, again an impossible trajectory level from a man with his hands up. the next shot was in his mid for arm to the inside. The next two fit an arms down position better because when you raise your arms to the surrender position they turn in and forces the trajectories into wild angles that are do not fit the scene.
the fourth shot grazed the chest before entering the arm so again it was completely impossible for brown to have raised his hands for surrender.

Brown was not falling, brown was charging and that is exactly what the autopsy shows. Therefore the witnesses are liars and you support them because, and only because, they are black.