Why knocking is so important.

[Tonus]

I'm talking about real verification Drich. Voices in your head and feelings do not count.

I believe that Drich's point is that they count for him. His claim is that if we each ASK in the proper manner and with the proper amount of persistence, we will also get our own verification, which would in turn serve as verification that he was right. If we don't get the correct verification, then the process is not complete and we must persist until we do.

I don't think there's anything more to it. For me, the last part reminds me of the way that "prayer always works" because the believer interprets the outcome to support prayer no matter what happens. I cannot verify Drich's experiences: in fact I strongly suspect that they would not stand up to scrutiny. He cannot verify mine, and he may equally strongly suspect that my attempts were self-serving or simply insufficient. We are stalemated.

[Anomalocaris]

We are stalemated.

Indeed, to the mind of the idiots, invincible wishful thinking can never be defeated by empirical validation.

[Baqal]

post 357

Um... I'm not really sure if that answers the question.
Let's say I told you that I managed to climb to the top of a 400 meter tall building in an hour using nothing but my bare feet, without any powdered chalk, while playing a bass clarinet. Now that's clearly something you don't see every day. What would you need in order to be convinced that what I just told you was true?
Also,

This type of 'proof' taylored specificly to your needs/Your Heart is what the holy Spirit offers.

I'm sorry for being honest, but... this sentence was beyond pathetic.

[Goosebump]

I have answered in the afrimitive 3 seperate time citing examples of Christ using the tactic I myself have used. How else can I answer this question if yes is my answer?

Very sorry, I missed it. My thanks to you for taking the time to clarify. I feel I can reach a conclusion for myself based on your clear yes.

[pocaracas]

[facepalm]
So you've dismissed any possible natural explanation and went with what you wanted.... what you were knocking and asking for, huh?

Even if there is no holy ghost whatsoever, you would have arrived at the same result.

See why that method is so dangerous? and so likely to be yield wrong results?
No... you delusion runs deep... you can't even consider the option of a natural explanation.

Again what i wrote is not about me, it is about God giving you the oppertunity to be presented with exactly what you need to establish and maintain a relationship. The AIDs and Hell scare with the message I received put me on track. What keeps me there is something much much stronger.

I am but one example of the lengths God is willing to go for any of us. IF we simply meet Him on His terms.

Again you fail to realize that I'm talking about how your mind has been clouded by its own delusion of the concept of that god. And you once again fail to realize that what you have not truly considered the possibility that those events were all the fruit of natural processes.

If I go through the same kind of events, I'll see them for the naturalistic events that they are and will never consider any sort of god as a force behind the scenes. I'll be content in my interpretation of those events and carry on with my life.
If any god is indeed behind the scenes why would it remain there, in that obscure position, that position where it can be just as easily dismissed by someone with some knowledge of the natural world, as it can be embraced by someone leaning more to the spiritual side of things...
Do note that, for a person to be spiritual, no god is required; only that the person believes it.... which seems to be your position.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Maybe go back and reread my assertions on the evidence of Jesus. Your persumptions and arguement against what I said is not accurate which what makes this whole first paragraph a strawman.

Negative. Your assertions are based on argumentum ex culo.

The truly faithless do not feel a need to defend their position. Those who do are typically perparing their judgement day defense strageity.

Silly child, there will be no Judgment Day, because there is no Judge, at least as described in the Bible.

Is faith in evidence still not faith?

I don't have faith in evidence. I cross-check and correlate it to other evidence in order to insure that it matches up.

You should try it sometime. It might help you iron out the many wrinkles in your blandishments.

Is their a hole in the Ozone? do you have proof? now explain how this 'proof' and your belief in it does not completely depend on faith.

Dismissed for irrelevance. Stick to the point, child.

Then please oh wise and masterful one show me the errors of my ways so that all may join you and laugh at me..

I'm not interested in embarrassing you. I had thought we were discussing your arrogant claim that I didn't "knock" the right way, as if you knew what I went through whne I was a believer.

You would pretend i said something then attack what you can easily defend without mercy. Oh, wait..

I bet that sounded clever when you were typing it.

Protip: it isn't.

But that is not what you are doing. As i pointed out you created a strawman in your opening paragraph and attacked it. Rather than speak to what i had to say.

Nonsense. I'm pointing out that you don't know your ass from third base about the god you claim to speak for, you don't have evidence that he exists, and you lack the humility to admit error.

Thanks for cooperating.

Look sport nothing you have done here is new. You will eventually see that you are wrong, and have been from the beginning. The only question is will you admit it. The fact that your building straw men reather than address what i actually have to say.. my money is not.. You will be another pro carrots and chase your tail as long as i play along.

lol, no, you're not worth that much. You lack the insight to grasp my point, and return cliches and blandishments in return. You claim to not believe the Christian god even as you cite the Bible chapter and verse.

Chinese/Jap

boy who likes to dress as a french maid who has been awestruck by what i said?
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Nope. Hell awaits.

[Drich]

I'm talking about real verification Drich. Voices in your head and feelings do not count.

I believe that Drich's point is that they count for him. His claim is that if we each ASK in the proper manner and with the proper amount of persistence, we will also get our own verification, which would in turn serve as verification that he was right. If we don't get the correct verification, then the process is not complete and we must persist until we do.

I don't think there's anything more to it. For me, the last part reminds me of the way that "prayer always works" because the believer interprets the outcome to support prayer no matter what happens. I cannot verify Drich's experiences: in fact I strongly suspect that they would not stand up to scrutiny. He cannot verify mine, and he may equally strongly suspect that my attempts were self-serving or simply insufficient. We are stalemated.

We are indeed at a stalemate unless God does come through for you as outlined/promised in scripture.

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We are stalemated.

Indeed, to the mind of the idiots, invincible wishful thinking can never be defeated by empirical validation.

Appeals to cliche' and generalities does not empirical validation make.

Or rather when have you ever defeated anything I have said with empirical validation. Please post a quote number or provide a link. Otherwise know you just quoted a cliche' atheistic answer to what you believe to be a general Christian response.

[Ravenshire]

Again I am just a beggar trying to tell other beggars where to find food. You want proof? I ate it, but there is more if you just A/S/K for it.

[emphasis is mine]

Am I the only one who was immediately and forcefully reminded of the scene in "Hook" where Peter finally gets his imagination going again?!?

[Drich]

post 357

Um... I'm not really sure if that answers the question.
Let's say I told you that I managed to climb to the top of a 400 meter tall building in an hour using nothing but my bare feet, without any powdered chalk, while playing a bass clarinet. Now that's clearly something you don't see every day. What would you need in order to be convinced that what I just told you was true?

Your analogy is not valid. The claim I made placed you in a position to receive a similar result, to what I have experienced here, with you placing no more effort in this endeavor than you would when seeking out anything important in your life.

You analogy stacks the physically impossible upon the inconceivable and provides no direction or possible direction as to how to accomplish such a task.
My explaination of luke 11 simply asks for a mustard seeds of faith.

[Cyberman]

Again I am just a beggar trying to tell other beggars where to find food. You want proof? I ate it, but there is more if you just A/S/K for it.

Actually you're only posing as a beggar and trying to convince everyone that a huge pile of shit is really food if only we fool ourselves into thinking we can eat it; when in actuality, you don't have any food any more than the rest of us.

And just like Chuck's observation, that wasn't a cliché either.