why i believe in Islam?

[Paul the Human]

"Christian Scientist". Teehee!

[mo3taz3nbar]

"Christian Scientist". Teehee!

it doesnt matter he is a scientist after all

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUIn1nejh...re=related
but of course the internet geeks know better lool

[Paul the Human]

mo3. We dot not believe in any of this. The Qur'an was written 100 years after 'Mohammed' supposedly lived. There is no evidence that I am aware of that he did actually exist. He is, most likely, an entirely fictional character... just like Jesus. The verses in all of the books can be interpreted to mean many things. That's why the religions have survived so long. People want it all to be true, so they justify it it in amazing ways.

The Qur'an was written in a time when Jews and Christians were both looking for converts and it provided the people of that region with an alternative. It is no more true than the others. It's all make-believe.

[fr0d0]

A "Christian Scientist" is not a scientist Mo. That's a Cult based on Christianity nothing to do with science - it's just a name.

God cannot be provable because that would contradict what the bible says about God. Islam has no proof of God. Islam is illogical.

[mo3taz3nbar]

mo3. We dot not believe in any of this. The Qur'an was written 100 years after 'Mohammed' supposedly lived. There is no evidence that I am aware of that he did actually exist. He is, most likely, an entirely fictional character... just like Jesus. The verses in all of the books can be interpreted to mean many things. That's why the religions have survived so long. People want it all to be true, so they justify it it in amazing ways.

The Qur'an was written in a time when Jews and Christians were both looking for converts and it provided the people of that region with an alternative. It is no more true than the others. It's all make-believe.

paul my friend you are wrong first the Quran was written during his lifetime second how can you suppose that muhammed or jesus didnt exist of course they did its not logic that people will create a historical man and believe in him(we know everything about muhammed even his house that cant be made) thats really strange claim do you think that the people lived in this time was monkeys or what?it wasnt like that the problem was always that after each prophet the people start changing in his book and it ends up to be more human than a divine and that is the reason that god sent muhammed (pbuh) and give him the last revelation that contains all the word of god that have been changed before and preserved it you guys are searching in everyplace and leaving the book that we claim its from god and about the interpretation i mentioned before its not that hard to interpret and i also gave an example of what extremists are doing and thats not called interpretation of course

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A "Christian Scientist" is not a scientist Mo. That's a Cult based on Christianity nothing to do with science - it's just a name.

God cannot be provable because that would contradict what the bible says about God. Islam has no proof of God. Islam is illogical.

[Paul the Human]

Ah. Further research has shown that it began to be written while Mohammed was alive and was compiled into a whole long after he died. It is also said that there was only the one copy until nearly 100 years after his death, which calls the entire claim into question.

Regardless. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Mohammed really existed and really dictated' the Qur'an. Does that make any of it true? Couldn't it be that Mohammed was delusional? That is more likely than him actually repeating god's words to him. Try claiming such a thing today.

[mo3taz3nbar]

Regardless. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Mohammed really existed and really dictated' the Qur'an. Does that make any of it true? Couldn't it be that Mohammed was delusional? That is more likely than him actually repeating god's words to him. Try claiming such a thing today.

thats when you start searching to know was he delusional?was he lying? is there was a reason for what he was doing?did he gain something of that?if i was in his place what would i do?
and the main thing is to read the Quran and see could a man write this book?is this book reflecting a certain period as historical books or not?is there a prove that this book is from god?
and many many questions and use logic.am willing to be here with you guys for a long time and i will start to prepare a thread on how i was thinking when i was in the same stage you are in now i used to ask myself what if there is no god?i was there and i will try to share with you guys what led me to believe in god and then to believe in Islam.

[Paul the Human]

Here’s the problem. Gods and Demons, Magic and Miracles, Dragons and Unicorns, Vampires and Werewolves… none of these things are real. Anyone that claims to have had direct contact with any of these things is, almost certainly, delusional. Either that or lying.

All religions and some entire nations have been built upon these delusions (and/or lies). The result has never been pretty. Fortunately, I suspect we are heading to a new age, finally leaving behind the naïve ‘Age of Superstition’. Too bad I won’t be here to see it.

In order for atheists to take anything out of some dusty old fiction book seriously, you would need to first prove that God/Allah is real. Without that, there is absolutely no reason to consider the Qur'an or the bible(s) to be anything but fiction.

[mo3taz3nbar]

In order for atheists to take anything out of some dusty old fiction book seriously, you would need to first prove that God/Allah is real. Without that, there is absolutely no reason to consider the Qur'an or the bible(s) to be anything but fiction.

dont stick with one way to prove god exists sometimes you need to start from different stage.you are trying to prove god exist first why dont you read the Quran first maybe it will give you the evidence you wanted or answer the questions you have? i really cant wait to start talking with you guys about this because i was going crazy trying to prove that god exist but i will get in more details in the new thread as till now i didnt talk with you guys about this which was my main aim when joining this forum

[Purple Rabbit]

paul my friend you are wrong first the Quran was written during his lifetime

Evidence for that please!

What you call the quran is a filtered, transformed collection of hearsay stories and sayings that were and are impossible to trace to the prophet. Far worse than second-hand information, orally transferred, the parts from time to time were collected and filtered on grounds and criterions unclear to us since it was deliberately shielded from historical investigation by calling for the destruction of all previous versions and parts. Not to mention the diffulties of ambiguity found in the arabic spelling of these times. Not a single inscription on the ka'aba is found in its literal form in the quran! Also there is no chronologic order in the quaran but stories are presented in order of length, a clear indication that some coherence was lost in the transfer.

Notwithstanding all the problems involving the canonization of the quran by mere mortals that lived long after the prohet, your belief convulsively tries to uphold the myth that there was unaltered, direct, straightforward transfer. It believes it must uphold this myth to preserve its reliability and it exerts strong pressure on everyone attempting to an unbiased historical research on the authenticity of the quaran. As a result this unbiased research is yet in its infancy, yet it is resoundingly clear among these researches that the myth is nothing but a myth. The rigidity of the biased keepers of the quaran shows the insecureness of islam on the authenticity they claim. If the straight transfer from source to quran really is no problem at all than unbiased research would present no obstacle but surely lead to confirmation.

I do not doubt the existence of the prophet. And I do not want to side with the gratuite ad hominem attacks you have been exposed to here but I urge you to look beyond the boundaries of social pressure, religious coercion and biased opinion and to sincerely ask yourself if this claim of unaltered transfer has any scientific, verifiable, unbiased, historical ground.