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Why Would God Hide?
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 (September 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(September 8, 2014 at 2:24 pm)naimless Wrote: I am talking about the extraordinariness of the claim, not whether the claim is real or not. Except they are not extraordinary. They are quite ordinary. On the scale of human behaviour, someone claiming to have found god is akin to someone claiming to have found love.  (September 8, 2014 at 2:29 pm)naimless Wrote:(September 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: And the claims about deities are extraordinary, whether they are true or not. Thus, they require extraordianry evidence. You don't seem to be getting this. If you're claiming that most people hold a theistic belief, then yes, that claim is not extraordinary, it's easily illustrated with statistics. We're saying that the claims they make about their deity are extraordinary, and it doesnt matter how many of them make the claims.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson (September 8, 2014 at 2:31 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(September 8, 2014 at 2:29 pm)naimless Wrote: Except they are not extraordinary. They are quite ordinary. On the scale of human behaviour, someone claiming to have found god is akin to someone claiming to have found love. No, you're not getting this. I understand your subjective opinion, I hold the same subjective view. Objectively speaking, it is not extraordinary. I do not question people who claim to experience love, even though I cannot prove their exact experience. (September 8, 2014 at 2:34 pm)naimless Wrote:(September 8, 2014 at 2:31 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You don't seem to be getting this. If you're claiming that most people hold a theistic belief, then yes, that claim is not extraordinary, it's easily illustrated with statistics. We're saying that the claims they make about their deity are extraordinary, and it doesnt matter how many of them make the claims. Then what the hell point are you trying to make? We all know that most of the world is theistic, that was never the point of the discussion. Their theistic claims are extraordinary, and need suitably extraordinary evidence.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson (September 8, 2014 at 2:35 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(September 8, 2014 at 2:34 pm)naimless Wrote: No, you're not getting this. I understand your subjective opinion, I hold the same subjective view. I've made my point many times and you have failed to grasp it many times. I'm done. (September 8, 2014 at 2:38 pm)naimless Wrote:(September 8, 2014 at 2:35 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Then what the hell point are you trying to make? We all know that most of the world is theistic, that was never the point of the discussion. Their theistic claims are extraordinary, and need suitably extraordinary evidence. Alrighty, try again later.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson  (September 8, 2014 at 2:38 pm)naimless Wrote:(September 8, 2014 at 2:35 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Then what the hell point are you trying to make? We all know that most of the world is theistic, that was never the point of the discussion. Their theistic claims are extraordinary, and need suitably extraordinary evidence. ![[Image: game-over-insert-coin.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_GVdACgLCn5c%2FTCcEfYbxgfI%2FAAAAAAAAAiU%2FG_6JK6h06aQ%2Fs400%2Fgame-over-insert-coin.jpg)
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense. 
I wonder who it is that decides a claim is extraordinary :-)
The state of the system as we can examine it. It's really not that hard.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(September 8, 2014 at 2:51 pm)Michael Wrote: I wonder who it is that decides a claim is extraordinary :-) The people who make a claim, especially one that purports to have inside knowledge of the universe that others don't, are the ones who have to bring extraordinary evidence to bear to prove it.
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense. |
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