3 ways Jesus read the bible.

[Drich]

So, like the Catholics you love to criticize for placing supreme authority in Popes and Church councils, you yourself in fact place ultimate authority in the Church's determination of Canonical scripture and then judge Christians by their adherence to the Church council's ruling by whether or not they follow the Canon.

The cannon of Scripture is ultimatly God's responsiablity. Because it is the Only thing that has been endorsed for teaching, direction and reproofing the word and works of, and for God. No other avenue/person has been authorized by God for determining the known will or works of God. Therefore it is on God to establish, and maintain the pureity of His works and words, through the bible. otherwise He must forgive us for following the only thing He has left us.

You do recall what Christ allegedly taught about hypocrites, right?

You have failed to establish hyprocrisy here. The doctrines of men apart from scripture orginate with man and have not been given the authority to determine or repersent the will of God. While the scriptures have.

And in whom does authority lie for interpreting the meaning of whatever scripture you arbitrarily accept? The High Drich?

I and Bible based Christians like me accept the whole of scripture. We work and strive to reconsile all of it to build our pictures of God.

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If they believe what they do based soley on the same bible then we are both good, no matter what we believe.

Huh? How can you both be right if you have contradictory answers for the same question?

Why do you assume both are right? Obviously One if not both are wrong. The saving Grace here is just that. saving grace. The same grace and attonement that covers willful sin covers us when we are worshiping wrongly if we are doing our best to worship the God of the bible the way it has been perscribed.

[C4RM5]

Most Christians who have read the bible many times have no idea what it really teaches. Such is the fate of 'sinful' Man.

What do you mean by this ShaMan?

[Aoi Magi]

If they believe what they do based soley on the same bible then we are both good, no matter what we believe.

Huh? How can you both be right if you have contradictory answers for the same question?

Haven't you read the bible? The lord is always right, and he loves contradicting himself, so following this pattern, they are both right because they contradict each other.

[FatAndFaithless]

Why do you assume both are right? Obviously One if not both are wrong. The saving Grace here is just that. saving grace. The same grace and attonement that covers willful sin covers us when we are worshiping wrongly if we are doing our best to worship the God of the bible the way it has been perscribed.

I didn't say that they were both right, you were the one that asserted as long as they believe it

based soley on the same bible then we are both good, no matter what we believe

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I'm asking you that how can two oppositely believing Christians (say, on the issue of abortion) both be "good", when each will say the other is wrong?

[Drich]

Why do you assume both are right? Obviously One if not both are wrong. The saving Grace here is just that. saving grace. The same grace and attonement that covers willful sin covers us when we are worshiping wrongly if we are doing our best to worship the God of the bible the way it has been perscribed.

I didn't say that they were both right, you were the one that asserted as long as they believe it

based soley on the same bible then we are both good, no matter what we believe

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I'm asking you that how can two oppositely believing Christians (say, on the issue of abortion) both be "good", when each will say the other is wrong?

'Good' refers to saved.

Both are saved so long as they both strive with all they have been given to worship the God of the bible with the bible as their sole source.

Again, one can be wrong and saved because God's Grace/Forgiveness is given to us when we are wrong and are doing our best to worship Him in a way pleasing to Him.

Again this grace is offered when we sin willfuly, how much more is given to us when weare doing our best and fall short in what we believe?

[FatAndFaithless]

But..then that completely removes any importance from "correct" Biblical interpretation. If anyone can draw any conclusion from the Bible, as long as they "follow Jesus" and use the Bible as their source, who the hell cares what's the right version or the wrong version?

[Mudhammam]

The cannon of Scripture is ultimatly God's responsiablity. Because it is the Only thing that has been endorsed for teaching, direction and reproofing the word and works of, and for God. No other avenue/person has been authorized by God for determining the known will or works of God. Therefore it is on God to establish, and maintain the pureity of His works and words, through the bible. otherwise He must forgive us for following the only thing He has left us.

Okay, let's try again. Who endorsed/authorized the Canon (what you call the New Testament)? Church councils. You admit, therefore, that even though many texts (including whole books) considered by popular Christians to be "God's word" are universally recognized by both Christian and secular scholars to be later forgeries and interpolations, while earlier authentic works were left out of the Canon, your faith ultimately lies, like the Catholics whom you hypocritically criticize, in the authority of the Church.

You have failed to establish hyprocrisy here. The doctrines of men apart from scripture orginate with man and have not been given the authority to determine or repersent the will of God. While the scriptures have.

Thus sayeth the High Drich... whose words, no one, Christian or non, is obliged to give two squirts of piss about.

and Bible based Christians like me accept the whole of scripture. We work and strive to reconsile all of it to build our pictures of God.

Right, granting the ultimate authority of the Church which has chosen for you the reading materials you are allowed to use for such purposes... of which your anti-Sola Ecclesia personality, the majority of biblical scholars, and many Christians, respectfully (I almost said reasonably but that's questionable here) disagree.

[Drich]

But..then that completely removes any importance from "correct" Biblical interpretation.

What it does is far more profound. It adds accountablity on a scale that 'correct biblical interpretation' alone does not.
In the parable of the talents The master/God Gives each of his servants/believers a sum of money/literal talents or mental ablity to invest or use to be profitable for His kingdom. To some God gives a large sum to work with meaning the have the ablity to understand and process more. To others he gives far less meaning their ablity to get extrapolate the same level of information from the same passages is far less. Chirst in the parable shows the Master is not concerned that each servant come up with the same amount in the end. Only that we do our best with what we have. If we do we will be given more. if we don't then what we have been given will be taken from us and we are to be cast outside/hell.

The long and short of it is 'correct intepretation' takes a back seat to us using everything we have to understand God to the best of our ablity. To have a 'correct intepretation' but not understanding or utlizing what we have, it is far more Daming than to be wrong and giving all that we've been given.

If we are wrong and we have the Spirit to worship God according to the bible then when our understanding of the bible matures our understanding changes.

however when we have 'the correct interpretation' nothing can change in us, therefore extra biblical doctrine is added to explain our 'correct intrepretations.'

If anyone can draw any conclusion from the Bible, as long as they "follow Jesus" and use the Bible as their source, who the hell cares what's the right version or the wrong version?

Because of our greatest command is to love God with all of our being. That is mind, heart, Spirit and Strength. If a love like this guides you every thought towards God then the most accurate path is the one you will be continually seeking.

[FatAndFaithless]

But..then that completely removes any importance from "correct" Biblical interpretation.

What it does is far more profound. It adds accountablity on a scale that 'correct biblical interpretation' alone does not.
In the parable of the talents The master/God Gives each of his servants/believers a sum of money/literal talents or mental ablity to invest or use to be profitable for His kingdom. To some God gives a large sum to work with meaning the have the ablity to understand and process more. To others he gives far less meaning their ablity to get extrapolate the same level of information from the same passages is far less. Chirst in the parable shows the Master is not concerned that each servant come up with the same amount in the end. Only that we do our best with what we have. If we do we will be given more. if we don't then what we have been given will be taken from us and we are to be cast outside/hell.

The long and short of it is 'correct intepretation' takes a back seat to us using everything we have to understand God to the best of our ablity. To have a 'correct intepretation' but not understanding or utlizing what we have, it is far more Daming than to be wrong and giving all that we've been given.

If we are wrong and we have the Spirit to worship God according to the bible then when our understanding of the bible matures our understanding changes.

however when we have 'the correct interpretation' nothing can change in us, therefore extra biblical doctrine is added to explain our 'correct intrepretations.'

If anyone can draw any conclusion from the Bible, as long as they "follow Jesus" and use the Bible as their source, who the hell cares what's the right version or the wrong version?

Because of our greatest command is to love God with all of our being. That is mind, heart, Spirit and Strength. If a love like this guides you every thought towards God then the most accurate path is the one you will be continually seeking.

What a crock. I don't care if your God just wants his fanclub to fawn over him in the right way. The interpretations you and your fellow deluded have of the Bible directly influences how people act in society, what kind of laws are passed, what cultural views we have of different people, and all sorts of other shit. Just brushing it off and saying "all that matters is that you love God with all of your being (just ignore the fact that some people might be persecuted, killed, shunned, restricted or have their rights violated by lawmakers who have an 'incorrect' interpretation of the Bible)", is utter dogshit. It vacuates morality of any value if all you need is "to love God with all your being". Your beliefs have effects and impacts on other people in this life, the only one we are sure to have.

[Drich]

Okay, let's try again. Who endorsed/authorized the Canon (what you call the New Testament)? Church councils.

Actually no. The authorization Came from God. The compilation came from Church councils.

You admit, therefore, that even though many texts (including whole books) considered by popular Christians to be "God's word" are universally recognized by both Christian and secular scholars to be later forgeries and interpolations, while earlier authentic works were left out of the Canon, your faith ultimately lies, like the Catholics whom you hypocritically criticize, in the authority of the Church.

this is a crazy claim, where did you get this idea?
(I am asking for a link)

You have failed to establish hyprocrisy here. The doctrines of men apart from scripture orginate with man and have not been given the authority to determine or repersent the will of God. While the scriptures have.

Thus sayeth the High Drich... whose words,

Are backed by the defination of the word hyprocrisy.

Right, granting the ultimate authority of the Church which has chosen for you the reading materials you are allowed to use for such purposes... of which your anti-Sola Ecclesia personality, the majority of biblical scholars, and many Christians, respectfully (I almost said reasonably but that's questionable here) disagree.

again, loft claim. where is your proof?