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Was Jesus a God or a man?
RE: Was Jesus a God or a man?
(October 1, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: I understand. That's just the differences between you and I, nothing wrong with that.
There is, actually - it's special pleading. (lets not pretend that you and I have wildly different standards)

Quote:I don't hold God to human standards because he isn't human, but I do in some ways hold Jesus to human standards.
Who cares, I'm not addressing whether or not god is a human being. If your god is abhorrent, being a fairy doesn't make him any less so.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Was Jesus a God or a man?
(October 1, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:
(October 1, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: I understand. That's just the differences between you and I, nothing wrong with that. I don't hold God to human standards because he isn't human, but I do in some ways hold Jesus to human standards.

In other words, you only hold God to human standards when it's convenient for you to think of him as merciful, just, good, etc. But when, without impunity, he's depicted as a murderous, racist, homophobic piece of shit, well, who can really say for sure?

Oh no, not at all, I didn't mean to communicate that. Just that Jesus WAS Human, therefore I can appropriately subject him to human standards. But God is not human, he is a far from human, and human standards and thought wouldn't be applicable without the aspects of being a human being.
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RE: Was Jesus a God or a man?
(October 1, 2014 at 7:27 am)Rogue Wrote: Tell me why things just stopped evolving?
We stoped evolving? Where did she got this? From Neon genesis Evangelion?

Because last time I checked we are still evolving:

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RE: Was Jesus a God or a man?
Sure they would, he'd be an "x" fairy, as opposed to an "x" human being. You're not going to gain any traction with this at all, especially after the might/right bit.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Was Jesus a God or a man?
(October 1, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(October 1, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: I understand. That's just the differences between you and I, nothing wrong with that.
There is, actually - it's special pleading. (lets not pretend that you and I have wildly different standards)

Quote:I don't hold God to human standards because he isn't human, but I do in some ways hold Jesus to human standards.
Who cares, I'm not addressing whether or not god is a human being. If your god is abhorrent, being a fairy doesn't make him any less so.

Rhythm. Trust when I say I honestly don't mind if our worldviews conflict. That's just the way it is. You can believe what you want and I can believe what I want. You will be who you are and I will be who I am. And that's perfectly fine.
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RE: Was Jesus a God or a man?
(October 1, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: Oh no, not at all, I didn't mean to communicate that. Just that Jesus WAS Human, therefore I can appropriately subject him to human standards. But God is not human, he is a far from human, and human standards and thought wouldn't be applicable without the aspects of being a human being.
So, you're saying we can say nothing about God except what people wrote in regards to the character of Jesus?

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

That Jesus, right?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Was Jesus a God or a man?
No it's not "the way it is" - it's the way you wish for it to be. Take a little responsibility Hez. I can't call this perfectly fine either - these things you've offered, and this final excuse are the seeds of misery that have been played out over and over throughout human history. Peace and love between people my ass.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Was Jesus a God or a man?
(October 1, 2014 at 5:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No it's not "the way it is" - it's the way you wish for it to be. Take a little responsibility Hez. I can;t call this perfectly fine either - these things you've offered, and this final excuse are the seeds of misery and they've been played out over and over throughout human history. Peace and love between people my ass.

I don't see what I've done to offend you. I wasn't trying to force my beliefs on you, I was simply discussing why I believe what I believe. I take full responsibility for my personal beliefs by walking in love and peace with others. Granted I'm not perfect, your right. I don't always do that well, but I want to strive to communicate that despite our differing worldviews I still value and respect you as an individual. And if I have failed to show you that I would humbly apologize for my inability to do so accurately.
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RE: Was Jesus a God or a man?
I find the faux humanitarian bit absurd - not offensive. You want to show me some respect, try not to follow up special pleading with might makes right, seguing into peace and love - credit me with just a little bit of intelligence. That was never going to fly, and I'm at least comfortable with assuming that you're smart enough to have known this.

The respect of a person who's seen fit to offer the "worldview" you've put forward in this thread means very little to me.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Was Jesus a God or a man?
(October 1, 2014 at 5:48 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:
(October 1, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: Oh no, not at all, I didn't mean to communicate that. Just that Jesus WAS Human, therefore I can appropriately subject him to human standards. But God is not human, he is a far from human, and human standards and thought wouldn't be applicable without the aspects of being a human being.
So, you're saying we can say nothing about God except what people wrote in regards to the character of Jesus?

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

That Jesus, right?

According to my faith, yes and no. Yes because the Bible, as everyone knows, is understood to Christians as being "God-breathed" or "God-inspired" and adequate for teaching, rebuking, etc. But on the other hand (and this is all Christian belief still) the magnificence of the universe and nature testify to the goodness and power of God so "we are without excuse". But this all coming for the New Testament, which is why I humorously answered yes and no. Smile
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