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October 1, 2014 at 5:41 pm (This post was last modified: October 1, 2014 at 5:43 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 1, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: I understand. That's just the differences between you and I, nothing wrong with that.
There is, actually - it's special pleading. (lets not pretend that you and I have wildly different standards)
Quote:I don't hold God to human standards because he isn't human, but I do in some ways hold Jesus to human standards.
Who cares, I'm not addressing whether or not god is a human being. If your god is abhorrent, being a fairy doesn't make him any less so.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(October 1, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: I understand. That's just the differences between you and I, nothing wrong with that. I don't hold God to human standards because he isn't human, but I do in some ways hold Jesus to human standards.
In other words, you only hold God to human standards when it's convenient for you to think of him as merciful, just, good, etc. But when, without impunity, he's depicted as a murderous, racist, homophobic piece of shit, well, who can really say for sure?
Oh no, not at all, I didn't mean to communicate that. Just that Jesus WAS Human, therefore I can appropriately subject him to human standards. But God is not human, he is a far from human, and human standards and thought wouldn't be applicable without the aspects of being a human being.
(October 1, 2014 at 7:27 am)Rogue Wrote: Tell me why things just stopped evolving?
We stoped evolving? Where did she got this? From Neon genesis Evangelion?
Because last time I checked we are still evolving:
5 Signs Humans Are Still Evolving
1. WE DRINK MILK
Historically, the gene that regulated a human's ability to digest lactose shut down as they were weaned off of their mother's breast milk. But when we began domesticating cows, sheep and goats, being able to drink milk became a nutritionally advantageous quality, and people with the genetic mutation that allowed them to digest lactose were better able to propagate their genes.
A 2006 study suggests this tolerance for lactose was still developing as early as 3,000 years ago in East Africa. That genetic mutation for digesting milk is now carried by more than 95 percent of Northern European descendants.
2. WE'RE LOSING OUR WISDOM TEETH
Our ancestors had much bigger jaws than we do, which helped them chew a tough diet of roots, nuts and leaves. And what meat they ate they tore apart with their teeth, all of which led to worn down chompers that needed replacing. Enter the wisdom teeth: A third set of molars is believed to be the evolutionary answer to accomodate our ancestors' eating habits.
Today, we have utensils to cut our food. Our meals are softer and easier to chew, and our jaws are much smaller as a result, which is why wisdom teeth are often impacted when they come in — there just isn't room for them. Like the appendix, wisdom teeth have become vestigial organs. One estimate says 35 percent of the population is born without wisdom teeth, and some say they will disappear altogether.
3. WE'RE RESISTING DISEASES
In 2007, a group of researchers looking for signs of recent evolution uncovered 1,800 genes that have only become prevalent in humans in the last 40,000 years, many of which are devoted to fighting infectious diseases like malaria. More than a dozen new genetic variants for fighting malaria are spreading rapidly among Africans. Another study found that natural selection has favored city-dwellers. Living in cities has produced a genetic variant that allows us to be more resistant to diseases like tuberculosis and leprosy. "This seems to be an elegant example of evolution in action," says Dr. Ian Barnes from the School of Biological Sciences at Royal Holloway. "It flags up the importance of a very recent aspect of our evolution as a species, the development of cities as a selective force."
4. OUR BRAINS ARE SHRINKING
While we may like to believe our big brains make us smarter than the rest of the animal world, our brains have actually been shrinking over the last 30,000 years. The average volume of the human brain has decreased from 1,500 cubic centimeters to 1,350 cubic centimeters, which is equivalent to a chunk the size of a tennis ball.
There are several different conclusions as to why this is: One group of researchers suspects our shrinking brains mean we are in fact getting dumber. Historically, brain size decreased as societies became larger and more complex, suggesting that the safety net of modern society negated the correlation between intelligence and survival. But another, more encouraging theory says our brains are shrinking not because we're getting dumber, but because smaller brains are more efficient. This theory suggests that, as they shrink, our brains are being rewired to work faster but take up less room. There's also a theory that smaller brains are an evolutionary advantage because they make us less aggressive beings, allowing us to work together to solve problems, rather than tear each other to shreds.
5. WE HAVE BLUE EYES
Originally, we all had brown eyes. But about 10,000 years ago, someone who lived near the Black Sea developed a genetic mutation that turned brown eyes blue. While the reason blue eyes have persisted remains a bit of a mystery, one theory is that they act as a sort of paternity test. “There is strong evolutionary pressure for a man not to invest his paternal resources in another man’s child,” says the lead author of a study on the development of our baby blues. Because it is virtually impossible for two blue-eyed mates to create a brown-eyed baby, our blue-eyed male ancestors may have sought out blue-eyed mates as a way of ensuring fidelity. This would partially explain why, in a recent study, blue-eyed men rated blue-eyed women as more attractive compared to brown-eyed women, whereas females and brown-eyed men expressed no preference.
October 1, 2014 at 5:44 pm (This post was last modified: October 1, 2014 at 5:45 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Sure they would, he'd be an "x" fairy, as opposed to an "x" human being. You're not going to gain any traction with this at all, especially after the might/right bit.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
October 1, 2014 at 5:46 pm (This post was last modified: October 1, 2014 at 5:47 pm by Hezekiah.)
(October 1, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(October 1, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: I understand. That's just the differences between you and I, nothing wrong with that.
There is, actually - it's special pleading. (lets not pretend that you and I have wildly different standards)
Quote:I don't hold God to human standards because he isn't human, but I do in some ways hold Jesus to human standards.
Who cares, I'm not addressing whether or not god is a human being. If your god is abhorrent, being a fairy doesn't make him any less so.
Rhythm. Trust when I say I honestly don't mind if our worldviews conflict. That's just the way it is. You can believe what you want and I can believe what I want. You will be who you are and I will be who I am. And that's perfectly fine.
(October 1, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: Oh no, not at all, I didn't mean to communicate that. Just that Jesus WAS Human, therefore I can appropriately subject him to human standards. But God is not human, he is a far from human, and human standards and thought wouldn't be applicable without the aspects of being a human being.
So, you're saying we can say nothing about God except what people wrote in regards to the character of Jesus?
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
That Jesus, right?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
October 1, 2014 at 5:48 pm (This post was last modified: October 1, 2014 at 5:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No it's not "the way it is" - it's the way you wish for it to be. Take a little responsibility Hez. I can't call this perfectly fine either - these things you've offered, and this final excuse are the seeds of misery that have been played out over and over throughout human history. Peace and love between people my ass.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
October 1, 2014 at 5:56 pm (This post was last modified: October 1, 2014 at 5:57 pm by Hezekiah.)
(October 1, 2014 at 5:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No it's not "the way it is" - it's the way you wish for it to be. Take a little responsibility Hez. I can;t call this perfectly fine either - these things you've offered, and this final excuse are the seeds of misery and they've been played out over and over throughout human history. Peace and love between people my ass.
I don't see what I've done to offend you. I wasn't trying to force my beliefs on you, I was simply discussing why I believe what I believe. I take full responsibility for my personal beliefs by walking in love and peace with others. Granted I'm not perfect, your right. I don't always do that well, but I want to strive to communicate that despite our differing worldviews I still value and respect you as an individual. And if I have failed to show you that I would humbly apologize for my inability to do so accurately.
October 1, 2014 at 6:02 pm (This post was last modified: October 1, 2014 at 6:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I find the faux humanitarian bit absurd - not offensive. You want to show me some respect, try not to follow up special pleading with might makes right, seguing into peace and love - credit me with just a little bit of intelligence. That was never going to fly, and I'm at least comfortable with assuming that you're smart enough to have known this.
The respect of a person who's seen fit to offer the "worldview" you've put forward in this thread means very little to me.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(October 1, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: Oh no, not at all, I didn't mean to communicate that. Just that Jesus WAS Human, therefore I can appropriately subject him to human standards. But God is not human, he is a far from human, and human standards and thought wouldn't be applicable without the aspects of being a human being.
So, you're saying we can say nothing about God except what people wrote in regards to the character of Jesus?
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
That Jesus, right?
According to my faith, yes and no. Yes because the Bible, as everyone knows, is understood to Christians as being "God-breathed" or "God-inspired" and adequate for teaching, rebuking, etc. But on the other hand (and this is all Christian belief still) the magnificence of the universe and nature testify to the goodness and power of God so "we are without excuse". But this all coming for the New Testament, which is why I humorously answered yes and no.
