Abortion not allowed

[rexbeccarox]

No, but I would want a chance at life.

Wait so what you are saying is you would rather be murdered than be raised by someone who didn't want you, that is sad.

I repeat: by definition, abortion is not murder.

[C4RM5]

Let me put it this way, why should someone else suffer for the mistakes of others?

No one is suffering.

A non viable potential life is being terminated.

Why should a woman be forced to basically put her life on hold while she pays for her mistake or, worse, has that child forced upon her through rape or incest?

It is not the fact that you are murdering an innocent life but the fact that you are preventing someone from living that annoys me.

[rexbeccarox]

No one is suffering.

A non viable potential life is being terminated.

Why should a woman be forced to basically put her life on hold while she pays for her mistake or, worse, has that child forced upon her through rape or incest?

It is not the fact that you are murdering an innocent life but the fact that you are preventing someone from living that annoys me.

There is no "someone" and there is no "murder". Why is it so hard to get this through your skull?

[ShaMan]

[Chas]

No, but I would want a chance at life.

Do you understand how contingent any particular fertilized egg is? The probability of you (or any of us) in particular coming into existed is stupefyingly small.
The DNA in each sperm is different, the DNA in each egg is different - they are random selections from the man's or woman's DNA.
Then which sperm fertilizes whatever random egg is presented this cycle is random.

There is no "I" until there is a brain. Your idea of requiring a birth is monstrous.

Wait so what you are saying is you would rather be murdered than be raised by someone who didn't want you, that is sad.

There is no murder here.

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All I'm hearing is a woman's right to bodily autonomy trumps everything, regardless.

Trumps the right to life of the foetus.

It's not that simple.

I think it is.

Is abortion at 8 months and 30 days OK?
If not, how about 8 months and 29 days?
etc.

At some point the fetus is viable and is arguably a person. If you don't agree with that, what is your definition of personhood?

[Bad Wolf]

Is abortion at 8months and 30 days OK?

I don't really see a distinction between an abortion at 8 months and 30 days, and a C section. I think an abortion is the termination of a pregnancy not a foetus, and in this case the 'abortion' would result with the foetus surviving. So yes, I think it's fine.

[The Valkyrie]

No one is suffering.

A non viable potential life is being terminated.

Why should a woman be forced to basically put her life on hold while she pays for her mistake or, worse, has that child forced upon her through rape or incest?

It is not the fact that you are murdering an innocent life but the fact that you are preventing someone from living that annoys me.

And you're entitled to your opinion and your annoyance.

I won't judge you for that.

I'll stay with my opinion of the situation, too.

I simply feel that the life of a living, breathing human trumps the rights of a foetus up to a certain point.

[DramaQueen]

Should we go rape women all the time? We can't waste all that sperm. Right?

[C4RM5]

Why Im I being called monsterous I just want to give everyone a chance to live. You are the ones wanting to prevent people from living.

[Jenny A]

I like your new avatar. Irrelevant but true.

For a fetus the use of mom's body is as necessary as anything can possibly be. The question is whether it's moral to require mom to provide that necessity. I say once mom has allowed the fetus to become developmentally a human, it is. Similarly if she delivers the fetus and takes the baby home, she is morally required to care for it.

Late term abortions are a little different. But abortions aren't the termination of a foetus, it's the termination of a pregnancy, most of the time resulting in the death of the foetus. But if it can be kept alive via an incubator, I think it should. The mother doesn't neccessarily get to decide if the foetus should live or die when there is a chance they can save it.

I'm only interested in the late term pregnancy. Abort all the little groups of cells with beating hearts you like. It's only as the fetus develops that any moral question arises. I would certainly allow an early Cesarian transfer of a viable fetus to an incubator as an alternative to natural delivery.

We would like society to take care of those in the hospital, but we don't assign that duty to anyone in particular and indeed it need not be done by anyone in particular.

To the extent that we assign anything to anyone we do assign people to treat the sick, doctors, nurses and surgeons are requried by law to do this. We asign fire fighters to put out fires and police officers to uphold the law.
And what do you mean it need not be done? Medicine is vital to human survival and is the reason we are so successful.

No we don't assign particular people. We do recognize that particular professions are better at it and some countries require hospitals to admit everyone or people in particular conditions. But if a surgeon decides to quit no one will drag him to the hospital because the patient requires a physician.

We do require parents to cough up the money to look after their own kids whether they want to or not.