Why do Christians trust the Bible?

[Drich]

Belief in and submission to Allah puts Muslims before God.

Ah-la no.
Belief and submission before Allah allows one to enter jannah. There are seven levels of seperation between one who believes and submits and big al. Al is not a deity of the people. Matter of fact only the cream of the muslim crop (mo-ham and a few of his buddies) are the only ones who get an audience before big al.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannah

Matter of fact there is only one verse in the whole Koran that even resembles big al's 'closesness to man.'
"We verily created man and We know what his soul whispereth to him, and We are nearer to him than his jugular vein."
http://insideislam.wisc.edu/2012/04/how-...nk-of-god/

Which to me sounds more like a threat, but hey I'll difer to context, before passing final judgement.

Either way, compare this to everything Christ said and did, was to bring man before God. To erase man's sin debt, to pouring out the Holy Spirit onto man so we may first hand experience God. No other religion claims this. Most of them do not understand it. Matter of fact in a few of my Muslim study groups the Muslims were taken back by this 'blaspheme.' (They were the one who supposedly knew what christianity was and were to deconvert missionaries.)

Following the five pillars of Islam legitimizes the Koran.

How do you reconcile this?

Wow, I hope your a better studied atheist than you are PRETENDING Muslim.

I reconcile 'this' by simply telling you that you are beyond wrong. The five pillars do not legitimize the Quran. The five pillars simply unite Islam by the agreement that these 5 statements were from the hadith of Gabriel. (Gabriel was thier version of the Holy Spirit.) What is a Hadith?

A Hadith, are the oral teachings/traditions of mo-ham. These are compiled in several highly disputed, very sensitive and several religion splitting collections that spawn off several different versions of the Koran also splintering the religion into its various sects. (That is why you can have a head chopping isis claim the same religion as the benign guy who runs your favorite convince store.)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

The part where you believe you're talking to God and that he's telling you what you want to hear. How do you know you're not just having a dopamine rush from convincing yourself you're right? Or do you actually hear the Holy Spirit talk as opposed to experiencing a vague, happy feeling? Everyone who's always described the Holy Spirit always describes it as something vague and not really explainable.

So... It is your medical opinion that dopamine and wishful thinking, can spawn a successful business, a couple US patents, a successful ministry, over coming a deadly disease, and answers to any God bible related question I or any of you can come up with? All without studying any of it formally?

As I am so frequently reminded my reading and grammar are sub par. The reason being is because I didn't learn how till my 20's. I have been saddled with a great number of 'learning disablities.' But I have also been bless with a great number of spiritual gifts to compensate. Why? So I may boast of my ignorance in the light of my many successes. None of which would be possiable without the direct help from the Holy Spirit.

In your experience maybe shooting a retard with dopamine produces prodigies on a regular basis. My experience is slightly different. Retard + dopamine= blissfully ignorant.

In short God gives us all access to the Holy Spirit. If we are faithful to what we are given, we will be given more. If we are not what we have will be taken from us and given to those who are faithful.

I put a whole effort into being faithful to what I have been given. That is why I am here.

[Minimalist]

Min, I do not believe the current popular delusion of the earth's age and man being as you noted above.

Nobody gives a flying fuck what you believe. We have evidence. You have the fucking bible.

Go fuck yourself.

[Drich]

Buddhism hardly comes cheap. It takes years and years of meditation to reach higher states of consciousness within that paradigm. And even then might not achieve enlightenment in this lifetime.

Give us an example of a secular version of the Holy Spirit that you think even closely matches the types of experiences about which Drich and I are talking.

We are not talking about the getting holy spirit. Where did you get that idea?

Here's a quick recap:
Drich: What is the benfit of having God in your day to day life?
The stock answer is found in gal 5:22-23. That is the qualities of "love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. "

Me: You get these qualities cheaper in Buddhism. And most brands of atheism

The stock answers are that of spiritual fruit. Spiritual fruit are the evidences of the Holy Spirit, hence stock answers. Meaning this in level one. Even in level one let's say the most anyone can do (love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. ") Is on a scale from one to ten.

Let's say your faithful to God and give Him all that you can of those qualities. When you are blessed with level one Holy Spirit you capsity has just increases to 15. And so on it goes. The more you are faithful to the spiritual fruit you have the more you will be given till you manifest a spiritual gift. Be faithful to your spiritual gift and you will receive another one, till you reach your capasity.

So again the well of love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Has the potential to be as deep as God Himself is.

[Whateverist]

Convenience.

[genkaus]

Either way, compare this to everything Christ said and did, was to bring man before God. To erase man's sin debt, to pouring out the Holy Spirit onto man so we may first hand experience God. No other religion claims this.

Yup - most of the other religions maintain atleast a semblance of moral integrity and a promise of justice. Christianity goes further and becomes worse via vicarious sacrifice that isn't actually a sacrifice.

So... It is your medical opinion that dopamine and wishful thinking, can spawn a successful business, a couple US patents, a successful ministry, over coming a deadly disease, and answers to any God bible related question I or any of you can come up with? All without studying any of it formally?

Nope - it can just make you think that the Holy Spirit did it all.

As I am so frequently reminded my reading and grammar are sub par. The reason being is because I didn't learn how till my 20's. I have been saddled with a great number of 'learning disablities.' But I have also been bless with a great number of spiritual gifts to compensate. Why? So I may boast of my ignorance in the light of my many successes. None of which would be possiable without the direct help from the Holy Spirit.

We agree that you do boast of your ignorance - but you are wrong when you say that your successes would be impossible without Holy Spirit. But then, that's your ignorance talking.

In your experience maybe shooting a retard with dopamine produces prodigies on a regular basis. My experience is slightly different. Retard + dopamine= blissfully ignorant.

Looks like you and Rob agree.

[Tonus]

Paul did not say you should not have sex.
Yes, he did say it is better to marry than to burn with lust (a no brainer).

So the solution to wanting to get laid is to get married? And god would approve of a marriage on that basis? To say nothing of the poor woman who is fortunate enough to be chosen as an indentured sex doll!

[genkaus]

The stock answers are that of spiritual fruit. Spiritual fruit are the evidences of the Holy Spirit, hence stock answers. Meaning this in level one. Even in level one let's say the most anyone can do (love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. ") Is on a scale from one to ten.

Let's say your faithful to God and give Him all that you can of those qualities. When you are blessed with level one Holy Spirit you capsity has just increases to 15. And so on it goes. The more you are faithful to the spiritual fruit you have the more you will be given till you manifest a spiritual gift. Be faithful to your spiritual gift and you will receive another one, till you reach your capasity.

So again the well of love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Has the potential to be as deep as God Himself is.

See? All this slow level grinding requires time and energy too costly to waste. Let's go with Buddhism or Jainism where you start with level 25 without the dumb holy spirit thingy.

Btw, the fact that those qualities are available to those who don't take in the holy spirit means that they are not evidence for the spirit.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Min, I do not believe the current popular delusion of the earth's age and man being as you noted above. See "Delusion" works both ways...

Unfortunately for you prof the approximate age of the earth is a fact beyond all reasonable doubt, as is evolution.

Your objections are not reasonable, but fortunately reality doesn't care what you believe so it's cool.

I mean, remember when you predicted the end of the world and got it horribly wrong? That why nobody here takes you even remotely seriously, not even the other theists.

[Chas]

Min, I do not believe the current popular delusion of the earth's age and man being as you noted above. See "Delusion" works both ways........

Have you got anything to back that up? No, I didn't think so.

Your beliefs are based on your feelings and your ignorance. You are a buffoon.

Chad, something I missed in response-
Satan hates you, not only because you are created in God's image,
but because you were created to REPLACE him.
He usurped the authority of Adam when Adam obeyed the serpent, but the lease is running out as we speak.
It can't happen fast enough for me.

Why don't you go join your God sooner rather than later?

[professor]

Chad, come on, if your nonsense was fact there would be zero debate about it, just as there is no debate about mathematics.
I am reminded of a book I heard about called something like, "Popular delusions and manias" having to do with financial stuff
(like the Tulip bulb mania or the current Dow Jones).
How applicable that observation is to your religion.

Now, for the 15th? time, the world never ends.
You guys are the ones saying that- not me.
Another "Come on"- we both know I had no credibility well before I gave a bogus Rapture date.

Chas, thanks for watching.
I am not going to get into your favorite delusion.
But as for why I don't go to my God right away? It is not my choice.
Lots of people have accelerated the process by stupidity, but in spite of doing more than my share in my youth
(thank you Lord I made it thru that), I will wait on His timing for departure.

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Chuck, in going over the posts I missed, I believe the word is "Wart" not wort.
Isn't wort something to do with good tasting sausage?