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RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 4:11 pm
(October 17, 2014 at 4:09 pm)professor Wrote: Now, if you want to know God, there is a MUST that is required.
You must be crazy? 
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 4:13 pm
(October 17, 2014 at 4:04 pm)Tonus Wrote: (October 17, 2014 at 3:58 pm)Luckie Wrote: I'm fairly certain Min is ignored by many. So I thought I'd bump this. Seems relevant to me, and I'd like Drich to respond to it for me please  Unless I am mistaken, Min's post confirms Drich's claim? Jesus/God is the one who said "ask, seek, knock."
Not really, Drich says A/S/K, but the bible says seek and ye shall find. Lets just assume ONE of us, at least, knocked correctly, repeatedly, with all the prerequisites Drich has outlined. Does he just not have an answer for those people, as to why they sought and did not find?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 4:29 pm
(October 17, 2014 at 4:09 pm)professor Wrote: Stimbo, we don't have to do anything- we can let the chips fall where they land.
And face the consequences of whatever decision we make.
Go for it, but think long and hard about life and the nature of reality.
Now, if you want to know God, there is a MUST that is required.
First establish that there are consequences. You always want me to run before telling me there's something to run from.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 4:29 pm
(October 17, 2014 at 4:13 pm)Luckie Wrote: Does he just not have an answer for those people, as to why they sought and did not find?
Sure he does.
Just give him a few minutes and he'll make something up.
And I'm sure it won't be circular, at all. Nope, not one bit.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 4:36 pm
I suspect he's in denial that anyone could possibly A/s/k and not find. -_-
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 4:49 pm
(October 17, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Luckie Wrote: I suspect he's in denial that anyone could possibly A/s/k and not find. -_-
I suspect he is in denial over the fact that he is the failure that he had made himself, and not the success which he fantasize he had been elevated to through the favor of a imaginary grand poobah that he so comically and yet pitiably sucked up to.
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RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 4:49 pm
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2014 at 5:02 pm by Jenny A.)
Drich, my method is the one actually stated in the Book of Mormon. What's wrong with it?
You too Professor. How does ASK differ from Mornoni's asking with a sincere heart? Because looking at this from the outside, I don't see a difference.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 6:29 pm
Jenny, I'm not familiar with Mormonism, sorry.
Stimbo, if we all knew the consequences of our decisions ahead of time,
wouldn't that short circuit our free choices now?
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RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 6:49 pm
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2014 at 6:50 pm by Jenny A.)
(October 17, 2014 at 6:29 pm)professor Wrote: Jenny, I'm not familiar with Mormonism, sorry.
Ah the Book of Mormon a holy book presented to Joseph Smith who translated it from golden tablets with the help of god. It tells of the journey of the lost tribe of Israel to North America and how Jesus came to North America immediately after his resurrection in Jerusalem. Unlike the Bible which may be mistranslated, the Book of Mormon is perfectly translated through the miracle of god's help. And it says it is the word of god. Millions of people have found god and discovered the true path of Christianity by reading the Book of Mormon. They know it is the true because they have read Moroni and followed these simple directions.
Quote:Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
Moroni 10:3-5
Notice that the only requirement is that you ask god with a sincere heart. Of course if your heart is not sincere you might not get an answer and you should try again. Sound familiar? It should. But millions of Mormons know it works.
Sound circular? It is. Exactly as circular and in exactly the same way as Drich's A/S/K. And it has exactly the same support, a holy book that says this is true.
My question to you both, is what's the difference? And why don't you rush out to read the Book of Mormon?
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 6:52 pm
(October 17, 2014 at 6:49 pm)Jenny A Wrote: My question to you both, is what's the difference?
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that it's because their holy book is fake, and his is real.
Or something like that.
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