Can atheists convert theists?

[Godhead]

In this mind -

But I'm not preaching. I just started a thread. Where did I preach? Are you expecting that at some point I will? I can assure you that I won't. You seem to have all sorts of fancy ideas about what I'm going to do and what I intend to do. I'm not going to smugly laugh at you. Perhaps others have done so in the past and you certainly sound like you've had a rough time but I won't laugh at you. You also seem to have a desire to get me to think like you in order for you to convert me, which is ironic. Also, you're assuming that I rely on god to protect me from I don't know what exactly. Why do you assume all these things? Again it sounds like you live in a weird part of the world where theists persecute you. And you sound so angry too, and you're directing it at me, however, if you spend your life directing whatever anger you have at every single theist, youaren't going to have much time left to do everything else you want to do in life. Please, stop making assumptions about what you think I'm going to do. If in doubt, ask.



Strattosphere -

More assumptions. You're assuming that just because I believe in god, that I agree with and would back up everything a christian would tell you. I'm not even a christian, theres plenty that I disagree with them about, so I can't see that happening. And now you're lumping me in with other people, saying that I'm part of a system. This is news to me. Seriously, where are you getting all this stuff from?

[In This Mind]

Where did I preach? Are you expecting that at some point I will? I can assure you that I won't. You seem to have all sorts of fancy ideas about what I'm going to do and what I intend to do.

If it walks like a duck, and it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, and it lays eggs like a duck, and it swims like a duck, and I spot it flying south for the winter in a v formation, I tend to assume it's a duck.

You also seem to have a desire to get me to think like you in order for you to convert me, which is ironic.

I have a desire for people to be intellectually honest. I've known intellectually honest Christians. They don't start threads like this, because they already know the answers.

Again it sounds like you live in a weird part of the world where theists persecute you.

It's called the USA.

And you sound so angry too, and you're directing it at me, however, if you spend your life directing whatever anger you have at every single theist, youaren't going to have much time left to do everything else you want to do in life.

See, here is where you get preachy again. And more than a small bit hypocritical. For one, you are ASSuming I am angry. I'm not angry. I'm tired. And where do you get this silly notion that because I am calling you out on your trolling that I'm directing anger at every single theist? Why the ad hom attack? Why are you playing the victim and making me out to be some sort of hateful creature with anger management issues for pointing out that your stupid and dishonest question was stupid and dishonest? Here you are, implying I am pathetic for responding to your post. And you wonder why people get tired and frustrated with people like you.

Please, stop making assumptions about what you think I'm going to do. If in doubt, ask.

It's not an assumption. There was no honesty in your initial question. You asked how we are going to convert you. There was no honesty in the question, and there was not any honesty intended to be in the question. It was pure trolling. And you know it, so please don't play the wounded heart.

People don't convert other people to atheism. People come to atheism because they have started to question and find the answers religion provides to be lacking in rationality, logic, and truth. I've read your posts, your religion amounts to 'I make it up as I go along' nonsense. Frankly, I'm about 75% confident you are a Poe.

[Godhead]

In this mind -

You still haven't explained how I'm preaching. Are you expecting that I will? I don't feel the need, I don't mind you not believing in god. And I don't think you're pathetic but I do think you come off as someone who has probably been called that or at least feels that others think that about them. Why would I think you're pathetic? I really don't, but you do sound angry despite what you say. And why can't I start a thread about how atheists would convert theists, when if you look around you'll find a similar one about theists converting atheists? Do you live in the bible belt?

[Paul the Human]

I think she is reacting to the fact that you asked "Can you convert me?" That is just a guess, though.

If all you are asking is whether or not it is possible for an atheist to convince a theist that their god probably doesn't exist... I'd have to say that it is possible... just as others have said. Is that all you are really asking? Or are you asking for the reasons we do not believe?

[In This Mind]

You still haven't explained how I'm preaching.

Yes, I have. Multiple times now.

And I don't think you're pathetic but I do think you come off as someone who has probably been called that or at least feels that others think that about them. Why would I think you're pathetic?

Your words were:youaren't going to have much time left to do everything else you want to do in life.

What makes you think I am not doing the things I want to do in life? What makes you think I am not satisfied wholly with how my life has turned out?

Oh. Right. I'm an atheist who calls you on your nonsense. Naturally I'm unsatisfied and going nowhere.

You remind me of one of the last morons I dealt with. She talked about how much time she spent handing out religious pamphlets and bibles. I mentioned that I'd once spent part of an afternoon making origami after someone like her had handed me a bible and then refused to take it back after I'd realized what she'd handed me. She told me I was pathetic and I had wasted my time. I pointed out she was wasting her time handing out bibles to people who didn't want them. She said it was the most worthwhile thing she did with her life and it was hateful of me to be critical of her religious beliefs and it was rude to deface/trash the pamphlets she was forcing on people and leaving in a variety of locations. I pointed out that by assuming people needed the bible/tract she was handing out, she was being critical of their religious beliefs, and it was rude of her to try to force the pamphlets on people and leaving as litter everywhere. At which point, she went as far as to call me a, I believe her exact words were 'sad little itch with a b!'

I really don't, but you do sound angry despite what you say.

ROTFLMAO. Because folks who call you on your nonsense must just be angry people without a life?

Here, read this, no reason why I should repeat it when she put it well enough:

http://whatprivilege.com/one-privilege-c...they-have/

And why can't I start a thread about how atheists would convert theists, when if you look around you'll find a similar one about theists converting atheists?

Because theists convert. It's part of their dogma. Atheists don't. They don't have a dogma.

Do you live in the bible belt?

I've lived there. I've lived elsewhere. I don't live there now, and haven't in a long time. Still run into the same behavior I mentioned in my first post. Last three places I lived were 'blue' states.

[Godhead]

Paul -

I think so too. It's just a reaction. No, in this thread I'm not asking why you don't believe per se, although I guess it can be relevant.

In this mind -
I don't think you've explained anything about me preaching. I'm explicitly stating that I have no interest in preaching, and you haven't shown any examples of me preaching. All you've done is twist my words to make them fit your assumptions. Anyone can do that but it doesn't show I'm preaching. Why would I preach? I have no need. I did have a feeling that someone along the lines had called you pathetic and that it had stuck with you, and by your story, I can see that now. And the fact that you're going into such detail with the story tells me that you want me to understand how you feel. I do. But please, you don't have to take it out on me. Projecting your bitterness onto me is something that you don't need to do, there are other ways of dealing with it.

[In This Mind]

I don't think you've explained anything about me preaching. I'm explicitly stating that I have no interest in preaching, and you haven't shown any examples of me preaching.

Yes, I have. I've devoted entire paragraphs to explaining.

I did have a feeling that someone along the lines had called you pathetic

You did. As I pointed out to you. And here, you do it again:

Projecting your bitterness onto me is something that you don't need to do, there are other ways of dealing with it.

Now, in addition to calling me pathetic, you are calling me bitter. All because I had the unmitigated gall to call you on your crap. So, is it because I'm female, or only because I am an atheist?

But please, you don't have to take it out on me.

10 points, called it!

In short, you are setting yourself up to be 'persecuted', as demonstrated by your dismissal of disproving your stance as 'ridicule'.

Reality wins again. Thank you for playing, Godhead, but you should probably shouldn't quit your day job.

[Godhead]

In this mind -

I'm not sure what is going on in your mind. You say that I called you pathetic, when anyone can see that I didn't, and now you're speculating that maybe it's all because you're female. Where does the paranoia begin and end? I didn't even know you were female until right now when you mentioned it.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Why do some atheists (judging from a couple of the responses) feel the need to say that they aren't interested in converting theists, and then show signs of frustration when theists don't agree with them, in the form of resorting to ridicule? That's not very consistent. You should be honest and just say that you'd really like to convert theists, and that it frustrates you when you don't manage it. People don't just ridicule others merely for fun, they do so for a specific reasons, and in this case I believe it is out of frustration. And that of course begs the question, what do you feel you lose when others don't agree with you?

Two answers,polte and blunt;:

Polite: Possibly because they are only ordinary people ,just like any theist. I have no desire to convert any theist, yet still become frustrated by what I see as willful ignorance and closed mindedness. I am also frustrated by Holocaust deniers and most conpiracy theorists for the same reasons. I can be very sarcastic, patronising and insulting at any time.. I find find it effortless with the deserving,which is how I see all the believers here except Tacky, who has earned my resepct.


Blunt: Any theist on an atheist forum is fair game. If I had my way they would not be permitted on any atheist forum. Period.

You asked a question,and then complain because you don't like the answers. We owe you nothing. I don't know you personally and so don't dislike you personally. However,your persona here is that of just another willfully ignorant apologist. I do not respect your beliefs and you have no credibilty with me. Most of the time I simply can't be bothered with you. I do the internet equivalent of what I do with people like you: I walk away or ignore you. I do not waste my time trying to reason with you.

If you could reason with religious people,there wouldn't be any (Greg House)

[In This Mind]

You say that I called you pathetic, when anyone can see that I didn't,

I quoted you implying I was pathetic and you calling me bitter, along with you calling me angry. Do you not even read your own posts?

But please, keep backtracking and denying. It's funny. You've already lost, you might as well go for 'worst showing ever'. I mean, seriously, I miss the days when Poes and Trolls actually put a little effort into it.