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November 17, 2014 at 7:26 pm
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"To answer your question"..he says. LOL. That's about the only thing you haven;t answered, after having been asked twice. The narrative was your baby to begin with. You can't do it, can you? Government is a spaghetti western for you where there are guys in black hats and white hats. The guys in the white hats all share your positions and firm ideological stances, and the guys in the black hats are democrats- I'm sure. 
I see a sea of black hats, personally, some trending to grey - but none white.
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
November 17, 2014 at 7:28 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 7:11 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: [quote='Heywood' pid='798240' dateline='1416262631']
Socialized medicine is coming, but America is presently full of selfish, temperamental toddlers on the right. The ACA is the training pants we have to wear before we catch up with the rest of the developed world, just as we had to go "separate but equal" before we achieved integration, or how we had to go with civil unions before we recognized the right of same-sex couples to marry.
The odds of socialized medicine coming in your lifetime basically fell to 0 when Obamacare was passed. Obamacare wasn't a solution....it is a ball attached to chain attached to one of our legs.
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
November 17, 2014 at 9:44 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 7:28 pm)Heywood Wrote: The odds of socialized medicine coming in your lifetime basically fell to 0 when Obamacare was passed. Obamacare wasn't a solution....it is a ball attached to chain attached to one of our legs.
I find it hard to swallow that, considering that health care for my wife and myself was unaffordable, as self-employed people whose income could vary drastically, month to month. The ACA is not ideal, but it was worse before than it is now, and the single largest obstacle to further progress is a demographic that can't replenish its numbers as fast as they die off. I'm content to wait, not having to worry that an injury or sickness will destroy our finances beyond repair.
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
November 17, 2014 at 9:44 pm
Gallop poll shows that Obamacare is at a new low with 56% of Americans disapproving...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/poll-a-...ar-BBehLuy
Quote:More Americans disapprove of President Barack Obama's signature healthcare reform than ever before, according to a new Gallup poll released Monday.
The survey found 56% of Americans said they disapproved of the law, the Affordable Care Act also known as Obamacare, while just 37% said they approved.
Voters don't want the damn thing, and yet the pompous-assed arrogant left continues to thumb their snobby noses at the American voters. No wonder you guys got smeared in the mid-terms.
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
November 17, 2014 at 9:53 pm
Just had a look at the USA's federal budget graph:
![[Image: fedBudget2012.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=usbudgetalert.com%2FUSBudgetCharts%2FfedBudget2012.jpg)
Public health spending of the federal government is 22% of the budget - very similar to what it is here in Australia. As I said, I think Obama's intent is very clear, and he has a number of reasons he can use for wanting to push ahead with Obamacare: 1. to get more people covered by health insurance, 2. to make sure that people can be covered and don't find themselves in a situation where they can't get insurance, 3. to reduce the future projected health costs to the USA federal government, 4. to improve the value of services for the very high cost of healthcare, 5. to reduce wastage of unneeded pharmaceuticals, 6. to improve services overtime, 7. to improve equability, 8..9..10... etc. Those are all perfectly valid reasons, and he could use any one or a combination of them in order to promote or defend his policy.
Your claim was that he's "giving money to insurance companies" - how? I've not seen you defend this at all, as far as I know about the policy it is legislative, not budgetary. It aims to improve market conditions, not to increase government spending (although the increased spending is, as I've mentioned several times now, unavoidable).
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
November 17, 2014 at 10:09 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 9:53 pm)Aractus Wrote: Your claim was that he's "giving money to insurance companies" - how? I've not seen you defend this at all, as far as I know about the policy it is legislative, not budgetary. It aims to improve market conditions, not to increase government spending (although the increased spending is, as I've mentioned several times now, unavoidable).
Suppose I am a producer of Vegimite. I lobby my government to pass a law that says every citizen must buy my Vegimite or pay a stiff tax. To help the poor, taxes will be raised to give poor people subsidies to buy Vegimite. Now did they do this because Vegimite is good for citizens or did they do it because they were bought off by me to do it?
The lefties have good intentions. The problem with the lefties is they alley themselves with people who want to use their good intentions to pass laws for personal gain. The rank and file lefties are too stupid to see it.
Health Insurance is not healthcare. If you want people to have access to affordable healthcare...the solution is to produce affordable healthcare. Subsidizing unaffordable health care does not solve the problem.
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
November 17, 2014 at 10:33 pm
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(November 17, 2014 at 10:09 pm)Heywood Wrote: The problem with the lefties is they alley themselves with people who want to use their good intentions to pass laws for personal gain. The rank and file lefties are too stupid to see it. Absolutely (lets not forget their own personal gain while we're on a roll)...and the right? How about them? You're really onto something here...I just want to help you take that last babystep......
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
November 17, 2014 at 10:50 pm
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(November 17, 2014 at 10:33 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (November 17, 2014 at 10:09 pm)Heywood Wrote: The problem with the lefties is they alley themselves with people who want to use their good intentions to pass laws for personal gain. The rank and file lefties are too stupid to see it. Absolutely...and the right? How about them?
The right generally want a smaller less intrusive government so with right wingers its harder as there are less opportunities for greedy people to alley themselves with right wing do-gooders. I'm trying to think of a right wing policy that the rank and file largely support that is or could be highjacked by greedy people. School vouchers is one.
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
November 17, 2014 at 10:52 pm
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LOL. I think I already gave you a rep...but if I didn't I'm going to. Casual and slick, show the rest of these fuckers how it's done Woodie. 
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
November 17, 2014 at 10:53 pm
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To help you out with that last baby step, look at A Theist, a rightwing nutcase du jour who is clearly overjoyed at the prospect of seeing my family lose our health insurance. Nothing would make him happier than to see me, and people like me, be deprived of something vital. It's written all over his most recent post.
The problem with the righties is that they have virtually no good intentions, and all of what they have is to benefit only themselves.
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