Eternal punishment is pointless.

[dyresand]

This is a judgment:


This is a judgment:


This is judgmental:


This is judgmental:


I could go on, but you get the point. In case you don't, here it is: you're a hypocrite.

I can do the same to all you say, doesn't make you judgmental in all you say, and the same applies to me, and the one who can't understand this is truly the hypocrite.

GC

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This is what is worst about religion: if gives otherwise good men permission to abdicate their responsibility to maintain a thoughtful morality.

You really have no comprehension of what is right.

GC

so no one can own up like a good person in front of god and say he or she has done wrong but wont use jesus for forgivement of their sins? i would own up for my sins or wrong doing, if i died or on my death bed would not use jesus to excuse my bad doings on a person like that even though he is there to do it. being a good person is owning to your own bad doings. being terrible person is doing bad things asking for forgiveness and dumping on your savior and saying i love you jesus. you only love jesus because he can forgive your sins other wise GC you don't. What if god said to you GC why didn't you own up to your own sins why did you need christ why not do the right thing and ill forgive you directly.
-> real reason why religion had power you cant own up to your sins use this magical human being to do it for you <-
-> we don't care your still a sinner for doing good<- NO
->only god allows people to do good <- NO
-> Every one is a sinner because of adam and eve and free will<- NO

[Thumpalumpacus]

I can do the same to all you say, doesn't make you judgmental in all you say, and the same applies to me, and the one who can't understand this is truly the hypocrite.

I didn't assert that everything you ever said is judgmental, I said you still are a judgmental person.

And, I've shown that to be the case.

You'd certainly do better to simply admit your failings, rather than firstly deny them, then secondly answer using the tu quoque fallacy (and inaccurately, at that). Your religion is the one advising you to not be judgmental, yet here you are making pronouncements about who is and isn't going to Hell.

Hypocrite.

You really have no comprehension of what is right.

... says the guy who worships a genocidal monster, albeit an imaginary one.

[Cyberman]

Actually, the imaginary one is worse. That means all the genocide is in his head.

[dyresand]

Actually, the imaginary one is worse. That means all the genocide is in his head.

like those imaginary witches that were drowning. if one floated and knows how to swim its a witch if they drown they are human. such logic right?

[Chad32]

Always nice to have a system of justice where the accused is dead either way.

[dyresand]

Always nice to have a system of justice where the accused is dead either way.

also the dead cant talk back.

[GrandizerII]

What do you mean? Going all Yoda on me now?

Seriously, though, if us being in eternal jeopardy is "no skin off your butt", then what is your motive in continuing to point out how we're all condemned to hell? The message has been received, so there is no need to keep going on about it.

It means that your position doesn't change my eternal destination. As for going to hell, I state what scripture says, if that bothers you you might want to find out why it bothers you.

Why are you not answering my question? What is your point now of incessantly preaching about something you've told us several times now?

Are you just trying to win fights here? It doesn't sound very Christian to me.

Hell doesn't bother me because I don't believe it exists, but it does bother me that you just go on about it with what seems to be a lack of empathy for the people you're preaching it to. It's like you relish the thought of atheists heading towards eternal destruction, and you just want to keep stating it because it gets you off.

Your message has been explicitly rejected by heaps of members here, and yet here you still are refusing to shake the dust off your shoes and find somewhere else to preach.

[Godscreated]

Do you actually know what Peter was saying, if so please explain.
I've given my reasons for my belief on this forum many times, answering questions that are a challenge to my beliefs doesn't always require me to state the same thing over and over.

I can understand your reticence. I'd grow tired of having the internal contradictions of my faith pointed out, too.

I have no contradictions of my faith, I'm very secure in my knowledge of God and who He is.

GC

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I take issue with those who claim to have been a Christian and then become an atheist. Christians know there's a God, they have no doubt, so how is it that a former Christian can become an atheist, somethings wrong some where in your thinking.

GC

What's this? A Christian who doesn't understand how someone can say, "I was wrong"?

Color me shocked.

I was clearly wrong in the superstition of my youth. I was clearly fed the religion of my folks, and didn't grow the ability to question it until I'd experienced more of life.

I wonder at how much, or how little, you have experienced of life, given your childish certitude.

Son I've lived more life than you could imagine. The only childish thing I see is your constant badgering with questions that have little to no relevance.

GC

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No one's buying, GC. It isn't as though you've offered anything we haven't heard before. None of it carries any weight here. So now if you keep it up you're just being a pest. Expect tempers to shred and name calling to ensue. But when it happens try to remember you aren't just the victim - you were also the instigator.

I've instigated nothing here, I'm asked question and I answer them, if people do not like the true staring them in the face they should stop asking questions. The name calling started the moment I started posting again, but worry not The weather will soon warm here and I'll be back in my shop building furniture, just stopped to put finish on some that I've finished building. Had spare time so I thought I would bounce in, the cold spell lasted longer than I thought it would.

GC

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It means that your position doesn't change my eternal destination. As for going to hell, I state what scripture says, if that bothers you you might want to find out why it bothers you.

Why are you not answering my question? What is your point now of incessantly preaching about something you've told us several times now?

You say I want answer your questions, then you say I'm saying to much, then you say I'm preaching, confused you are. As far as I know I've answered your questions.

Are you just trying to win fights here? It doesn't sound very Christian to me.

You wouldn't know what Christian is suppose to be like, I want lay down for you or anyone else, I speak my mind and tell it like it is, if you're not grown up enough to handle it maybe it's you that needs to go somewhere else. I answer questions if you think I'm picking a fight then that's your misconception making it your problem.

Hell doesn't bother me because I don't believe it exists, but it does bother me that you just go on about it with what seems to be a lack of empathy for the people you're preaching it to.

Now your being ridiculous, first of all I'm not preaching, that's against the rules. Second I've never had any empathy shown to me. I thought you guys didn't believe in hell, if that's so then why are you on edge about this. If you do not want to hear about hell then stop starting threads about it and stop asking questions that require hell to be mentioned. It's really that simple.

It's like you relish the thought of atheists heading towards eternal destruction, and you just want to keep stating it because it gets you off.

It's apparent you do not read all that I post or you wouldn't have stated the above. If I relished atheist going to hell I would stay away from this site and let you just go. Instead I try to show you truths without preaching.

Your message has been explicitly rejected by heaps of members here, and yet here you still are refusing to shake the dust off your shoes and find somewhere else to preach.

Stop asking questions about hell and once again I'm not preaching.

GC

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Why did God have to go through the whole alter-ego-sacrifice routine in the first place? Why not just just let us be resurrected?

You couldn't have been resurrected until Christ was. God carries his plan through from beginning to end and If I've an understanding of the last days, well....

GC

[dyresand]

GC jesus is pointless the end. like i said if you need to dump your wrong doings on jesus its the equivalent of having 3 kids only 1 of the kids takes the punishment for the 2 who are in the wrong asking for forgiveness.

[FatAndFaithless]

Why did God have to go through the whole alter-ego-sacrifice routine in the first place? Why not just just let us be resurrected?

You couldn't have been resurrected until Christ was. God carries his plan through from beginning to end and If I've an understanding of the last days, well....

GC

But I'm asking why God didn't simply do it in a more efficient way? Is being obtuse and convoluted part of his plan? And why did he start giving a shit whether we were resurrected..after thousands of years of us not being resurrected (since Jesus' death and rise are required, and didn't happen until thousands of years of normal human life and death)? Was he that hard up for praise?