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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 24, 2014 at 7:27 pm
(November 24, 2014 at 7:18 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Bullshit. Tacitus said that "Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at that hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate."
Do you see what he said? He said that "Christus suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate"[size=large]
He is not stating this as if it was just a freakin' belief held by the Christians, he is saying it as if it actually happened, because it did.
And his source was what? Tacitus wasn't born until decades after the event in question - he couldn't have had personal knowledge of the events. So how did he know?
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 24, 2014 at 7:28 pm
(November 24, 2014 at 7:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: None the sources mentioned (except the controversial Josephus passage) have anything at all to say about the Resurrection, which I thought was the point of the OP - certainly of the title.
Another person that seems to lack reading comprehension...It clearly says (Part 1), not to mention the fact that I clearly stated in the beginning of the post "First things first, we have to establish whether this Jesus guy existed in the first place".
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 24, 2014 at 7:29 pm
(November 24, 2014 at 7:27 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (November 24, 2014 at 7:18 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Bullshit. Tacitus said that "Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at that hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate."
Do you see what he said? He said that "Christus suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate"[size=large]
He is not stating this as if it was just a freakin' belief held by the Christians, he is saying it as if it actually happened, because it did.
And his source was what? Tacitus wasn't born until decades after the event in question - he couldn't have had personal knowledge of the events. So how did he know? He wasn't reporting as fact or fiction here Tacitus is unbaisedly reporting what he was told by Christians.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 24, 2014 at 7:29 pm
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(November 24, 2014 at 7:28 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: "First things first, we have to establish whether this Jesus guy existed in the first place". [/b] On which point you have utterly failed to deliver. All we're left with is "hey, a bunch of people totally believe that he did"
-yeah....no shit. 
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 24, 2014 at 7:29 pm
(November 24, 2014 at 7:28 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: (November 24, 2014 at 7:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: None the sources mentioned (except the controversial Josephus passage) have anything at all to say about the Resurrection, which I thought was the point of the OP - certainly of the title.
Another person that seems to lack reading comprehension...It clearly says (Part 1), not to mention the fact that I clearly stated in the beginning of the post "First things first, we have to establish whether this Jesus guy existed in the first place".
Yep, and you're doing a bang-up job of it.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 24, 2014 at 7:30 pm
(This post was last modified: November 24, 2014 at 7:33 pm by Minimalist.)
Fool.
Quote:Jesus was born around the time of either Herod the Great's death (4 acE) or the Roman annexation of Judea (6 CE), then preached in Galilee and was crucified under Pontius Pilate (26-36 CE) during the reign of Emperor Tiberius (14-37 CE). Right? Well, we're not really sure. Because Christians weren't really sure. Some Christians bel ieved Jesus died during the reign of Emperor Claudius (41-54 cE). Others believed he was executed by a Herod, not Pilate. And still others were certain he was born and died in the reign of King Alexander Jannaeus (103-76 BeE). That's right. Some Christians believed Jesus had lived and died a hundred years earlier than our Gospels claim.
Carrier pg. 281
You have no idea when your bullshit story was codified. Your ignorance is typical of the breed so I can't blame you. In fact, after listening to your prattle the best for you is to take your bible and stick it and your head up your ass. You are a hopeless case.
P.S. Tacitus is a forgery....and he said "Chrestianos" not "Christianos."
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 24, 2014 at 7:32 pm
(November 24, 2014 at 7:23 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:WLC is a good rhetorician, and nothing more.
Craig would not know a fact if it bit him in the ass.
Here he says:
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/independe...empty-tomb
Quote:The burial account is part of Mark's source material for the story of Jesus' Passion. This is a very early source which is probably based on eyewitness testimony and dates to within several years of Jesus' crucifixion.
What we have here is not a fact. It is jesus freak wishful thinking. If that is an example of Craig's debate with Carrier then Carrier...who deals in facts....cleaned the fucking floor with this moron. Oh Minnie what Craig says means nothing to this guy. Craig has very openly spoke out in favor of science and called yec embarrassing.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 24, 2014 at 7:35 pm
Actually... Jesus never died... his brother did.
He went on a trip to Japan. It's true, the japanese even made a plaque, so it must be true!
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 24, 2014 at 7:36 pm
(November 24, 2014 at 7:27 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: And his source was what? Tacitus wasn't born until decades after the event in question - he couldn't have had personal knowledge of the events. So how did he know?
Well, then there shouldn't be a "history" subject in our school system, since every history teacher was born centuries after Columbus, the famous wars, and any other event in history.
And if you say "well, they are using contemporary sources"...well, the same could be said about Tacitus.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 24, 2014 at 7:36 pm
(November 24, 2014 at 7:29 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (November 24, 2014 at 7:27 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: And his source was what? Tacitus wasn't born until decades after the event in question - he couldn't have had personal knowledge of the events. So how did he know? He wasn't reporting as fact or fiction here Tacitus is unbaisedly reporting what he was told by Christians.
That's kind of my point.
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