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December 28, 2014 at 11:57 am
(December 28, 2014 at 11:45 am)TaraJo Wrote: (December 28, 2014 at 11:18 am)Blackout Wrote: WTF is tumblr related to?
Tumblr is to legitimate social justice what Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity: the extremists that make everyone else look bad. Both are fun to laugh at, though. I couldn't have put it better myself.
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RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 28, 2014 at 12:31 pm
Tumblr; where feels always take precedence over facts and the end result is considered "social justice."
Tumblr; fucking stupidity incarnate.
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RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 28, 2014 at 12:42 pm
I'm so glad that's the consensus on tumblr. I joined it to collect more information on things I enjoy, and left thinking I was a rapist.
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RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 28, 2014 at 12:43 pm
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I don't use tumblr or any other social network like facebook or tweeter so I really cannot comment on that...
I can however say that I will feel offended if someone is calling me an extremist, given that my position is rational and it is not meant to cause inequality between groups. Not to mention there are statistics and dissertations that corroborate some of my arguments, such as the ones saying that people of colour get incarcerated more often, that females are more frequently victims of sexual assault, or even that homosexuals are discriminated by society. By they way I've actually seen feelings getting over facts but on reddit and some sites like 9gag that were once funny and now have lost quality.
If it makes everyone happy, I could make a list of disadvantages of being a white straight male
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RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 28, 2014 at 1:01 pm
(December 28, 2014 at 12:31 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Tumblr; where feels always take precedence over facts and the end result is considered "social justice."
Tumblr; fucking stupidity incarnate.
Yep. The Laci Green shitstorm alone shows how absurd they can be: http://www.dailydot.com/society/laci-gre...h-threats/
Something else to keep in mind when going over privilege: that by itself is a sign of privilege. Specifically, at my last full-time job, I was one of only a handful of white people in a call center that usually had 50 or so people there. Most of my coworkers were black. I never heard they talking about oppression or privilege or any of that stuff. Sure, I talked with them, and I listened to the conversations many of them had amongst each other. So, if privilege is such an important thing, why is it never talked about by underpaid, black people? Shouldn't they be the ones most concerned about it? Or are the only ones who are able to worry about privilege actually some of the most privileged people on earth? A bunch of upper-middle-class, college educated, white girls, constantly chastising everyone else for having privilege; that's what you usually find in social justice circles. And it would be far easier to take their condemnation of privileged people more seriously if they were as willing to condemn themselves as harshly as they condemn others.
And, yes, tumblr takes it to the extreme. Those girls don't claim to have privilege because they identify as something without privilege. They aren't white, they're trans-ethnic. They aren't straight, they're pansexual who just hasn't found anyone who's anything other than 'male' that they're attracted to. They aren't cis, they've created some absurd trendy gender for themselves (like one of these: http://mogai-archive.tumblr.com/genders).
And the worst part is, taking legitimate social issues and turning them into jokes while scaring away people who would otherwise be allies. I can't tell you how many people are afraid to talk to me for fear that I'll tell them "Die cis scum." I've talked to several other people who are afraid to engage in talks about sexism or racism or any other social -ism for fear that they're going to be instantly and harshly attacked for saying some insignificant thing wrong. It's like making people walk on eggshells which is even worse because we're also surprised when people don't like us. No, of course they aren't going to like a group that instantly and harshly jumps down their throat for any little minor mistep! A little pragmatism would be nice!
But, then, this is just my experiences. Everyone is welcome to voice their own opinion and talk about their experience.
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RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 28, 2014 at 1:05 pm
I've actually watched some Laci Green videos and I'm not very fond of her, not because she's wrong, she's mostly not, but because I don't like the way she speaks and exposes things - But I always get surprised how a pro-equality feminism article or video is bound to have death and rape threats - A good example would be gamespot's review calling GTA V sexist with arguments supporting the view - Luckily gamespot said they were ashamed to be associated with people who have made those comments.
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RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 28, 2014 at 1:09 pm
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Quote:Really? That's why more than 90% of sexual objectification is directed towards females.
A statistic pulled out of thin air, impossible to prove either true of false since sexual objectification is definitely done privately.
Quote:commercials don't objectify male bodies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwYCvTpYMCA
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AW: RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 28, 2014 at 1:14 pm
(December 28, 2014 at 12:43 pm)Blackout Wrote: I can however say that I will feel offended if someone is calling me an extremist, given that my position is rational and it is not meant to cause inequality between groups. Barkeep, I'll take a kek from the top shelf!
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RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 28, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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Quote:It's nowhere near comparable, men compete with everyone, male, female or trans, for success - But men don't slut shame each other and say oh that friend of mine (male) sleeps with so many women he is such a slut. Women are indirectly told by the media that every other is their competition usually when the beauty standard is high and everyone has to
Yes it's nowhere near comparable because men are much MUCH more forced to compete than women are, just look at school yard games, from an early age girls stereotypically tend to skip rope, dance, play hop scotch, dress up, play house, all co operative games. What do boys do? Well in my school if you were a boy and you weren't fighting, wrestling, trying to out run or out play other boys at football you were considered strange.
Men are much more likely to be mocked because of the lack of women they sleep with, but also can be ostracized for sleeping around aswell just not as much as women, it still doesn't make it a privilege to be a man in this aspect.
Quote:Have you ever thought that maybe females are less aggressive because society tells them from the start that being aggressive is a boy's thing?
No because males are more aggressive than their female counterparts in most species of great apes, I could be wrong but I think it's the case in most mammals, and I've never seen an orangutan being influenced by a woman's magazine, or a female chimp that was going to dominate her group until she got told by another chimp it's just a boys thing.
Quote:4) Maybe it's just where I live, but a man who wears low cut tops and tight tight shorts is ten times more likely to be made fun of, mocked and shamed, than a woman who does the exact same thing.
But that's because that's associated with homosexuality and gay get mocked more often that women
Or just a pervert, a man wearing tight pants that blatantly show his cock in a public area is more likely to be viewed as a sexual deviant, or like you say a homosexual, even if he isn't one. Therefore not a male privilege to go around wearing revealing clothing.
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RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 28, 2014 at 1:46 pm
(December 28, 2014 at 1:05 pm)Blackout Wrote: I've actually watched some Laci Green videos and I'm not very fond of her, not because she's wrong, she's mostly not, but because I don't like the way she speaks and exposes things - But I always get surprised how a pro-equality feminism article or video is bound to have death and rape threats - A good example would be gamespot's review calling GTA V sexist with arguments supporting the view - Luckily gamespot said they were ashamed to be associated with people who have made those comments.
If we're going to get into a contest over who has more bad behavior, trust me, the Laci Green incident is just the tip of the iceberg. Remember Donglegate? An internet feminist overheard guys talking, publicly shamed them and got one of them fired for it. You want to keep going? Plebcomics is a webcomic that made fun of the more extreme SJW's and some of them got so offended that they called the creators employer and had her fired (the webomic is currently down, but you can do a simple google search for 'plebcomics' to see some of her stuff). Melody Hensley, internet feminist, claimed she got PTSD from twitter and when soldiers complained to her that she was devaluing the experiences of people who actully have PTSD from legitimately traumatic experiences (like being in combat or having a vehicle you're in explode), she called their CO to try to get them court marshaled. A pro-equality mens' group tries to have a speaking event at the University of Toronto and a feminist group turns it into a riot, ending with someone pulling a fire alarm, feminists cheering and then a bunch of guys being chastised outside. Meg Lankier-Simmons sent and anonymous rape threat to herself and used it as evidence that rape isn't taken seriously enough by her school and instigated several feminist rallies around it before authorities realized she sent the threat herself. A blogger using the alias 'Biting Beaver' publicly admitted regret over not aborting her son when she caught him looking at porn on the internet. And these are just off the top of my head.
Yes, a lot of people hate feminism and social justice on the internet. That's because there is a LOT of bad behavior in the name of social justice or feminism. So if you're going to pretend that everyone is hostile towards your little group, maybe it would be beneficial to try and figure out why everyone people are that hostile.
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