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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 11:51 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 11:45 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (January 10, 2015 at 9:17 pm)snowtracks Wrote: not looking for excuses; perhaps you don't understand the assignment.
It's not an excuse, you dismissive ass; the first cells do not have to be the same as modern cells. That's kinda what the evolutionary model is all about, change over time. Just because you baselessly assert that cells never change, solely because it's convenient to your argument, doesn't make Rhythm's answer an excuse. It just makes you ignorant.
As if your insistence on using nothing but arguments from ignorance wasn't enough hint of that.  the first cell, with the first protective barrier is the question. what's with this modern cell business?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 11:55 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 11:51 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the first cell, with the first protective barrier is the question. what's with this modern cell business?
Still just assuming your conclusion, that the first cell and the first protective barrier developed at the same time, then?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 11:55 pm
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(January 10, 2015 at 11:51 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (January 10, 2015 at 11:45 pm)Esquilax Wrote: It's not an excuse, you dismissive ass; the first cells do not have to be the same as modern cells. That's kinda what the evolutionary model is all about, change over time. Just because you baselessly assert that cells never change, solely because it's convenient to your argument, doesn't make Rhythm's answer an excuse. It just makes you ignorant.
As if your insistence on using nothing but arguments from ignorance wasn't enough hint of that. the first cell, with the first protective barrier is the question. what's with this modern cell business?
The better question would be to ask what came first the chicken or the egg? once you figure that out you figured out reproduction. I already know the answer.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 11, 2015 at 2:51 am
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 11, 2015 at 2:53 am
(January 11, 2015 at 2:51 am)IATIA Wrote:
...leaving the chicken quite unsatisfied.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 11, 2015 at 4:28 am
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God has no explanatory power. It does not tell us how things were created, if they were at all, it just puts a label on the mystery. And the label is a bigger mystery than the mystery it is supposed to solve.
If you think there are only two possibilities, that either current scientific models can explain absolutely everything, or else a God did it, that is what's called a false dichotomy. You are ignoring an infinity of other explanations which also have no basis, along with the possibility that science is yet to find out. Or maybe science can't find out the answers entirely, some things may be beyond it's scope, but that lends no credibility to other unsupported explanations. Or the possibility that you don't understand very much about science and aren't interested in filling the gaps in your knowledge. It seems you think these gaps are convenient for your argument and can extend them to other people too.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 11, 2015 at 6:34 am
(January 10, 2015 at 11:55 pm)dyresand Wrote: (January 10, 2015 at 11:51 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the first cell, with the first protective barrier is the question. what's with this modern cell business?
The better question would be to ask what came first the chicken or the egg? once you figure that out you figured out reproduction. I already know the answer.
An egg and a chicken were in bed together.
The egg took a drag on a post coital cigarette.
"well that answers that" said the egg.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 11, 2015 at 7:07 am
They both came first. Because I said so.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 11, 2015 at 7:16 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 8:05 pm)IATIA Wrote: You are either not reading posts and links or you are just being stubborn and obtuse for the hell of it. Par for the course. At some point it seems that the pure fundie types get flustered enough by our unwillingness to accept presuppositions as "evidence/proof/truth" that they give up trying and start flinging random bits of poo at the wall.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 12, 2015 at 8:16 pm
(January 11, 2015 at 7:16 pm)Tonus Wrote: (January 10, 2015 at 8:05 pm)IATIA Wrote: You are either not reading posts and links or you are just being stubborn and obtuse for the hell of it. Par for the course. At some point it seems that the pure fundie types get flustered enough by our unwillingness to accept presuppositions as "evidence/proof/truth" that they give up trying and start flinging random bits of poo at the wall. Have stated this before, but it may need to be reiterated. Seems like you laboring under the grand illusion (perhaps even delusion) that I’m trying to prove, persuade, cajole or influence board members to believe in God’s existence or change their worldview to a creation model. Only God can prove God which has all ready been done. Everyone thinks there is a God, some will say ‘there is no God’; human were made in His image, that imprint can’t be erased no matter how hard someone tries.
Why I am posting is: to give the christian old earth perspective. Notice the period at the end of previous sentence. God made the garden-of-eden every good, and then may it even better by introducing ‘free-will’. Think about it, if God gave people free will to choice, I should and do fully endorse the exercise thereof. So if there are atheist, so be it.
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