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RE: Jehovah's Witnesses
January 9, 2009 at 3:45 pm
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2009 at 6:37 pm by Luke1984.)
A week before christmas they knocked on my door. I could see the lady from my kitchen window and I saw a pamphlet in her hand with a picture of what looked like jesus on it. So I quickly opened the door and started a discussion. It was amazing how brainwashed she was. Nothing I said had any effect on her. I had a few pretty good arguments like the fact that the concept of a god is self-contradictory, and how something or someone by definition can't be almighty. I also posed the question "Can god make rock so heavy he can't lift it himself?" The question isn't important, nor is the answer, but the paradox the question implies is very important. Of course she quickly changed subject.
Also, she was 100% convinced that there was enough evidence that jesus existed, while there isn't. And that there's not enough evidence to support evolution, while there's loads. This is also where the discussion ended. I didn't know what else to say if she's convinced of all these lies.
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RE: Jehovah's Witnesses
January 9, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Luke,
"can God make rock so heavy he can't lift it himself?"
That's great! haha I wish I could have seen her when you asked her that
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RE: Jehovah's Witnesses
January 10, 2009 at 2:28 pm
In my view the whole idea of a God or first cause,creator etc. does not hold water.The God as we know from the scriptures belongs where the gods from the many other cultures of the world belong,to the realm of myth.Just because a majority of americans believe it does not make the myth true.By the way I am an American but I am ashamed at the gullibility this nation has shown towards religious belief.
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RE: Jehovah's Witnesses
February 6, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Lol, I love the 'nothing comes from nothing' argument... Somewhere along the line, something had to come from nothing. That's something that religion fails to explain. If there is a God, and he just exists... then he had to come from nothing, no?
Cher
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RE: Jehovah's Witnesses
February 6, 2009 at 7:34 pm
RTP06 the bible actually explains where God comes from in Revelation 1:8 it says:
8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
As you can see it's just another cop out.Christians love that first cause argument and they claim that every effect has an antecedent cause. If you go back in time trying to pin point the begnning of the creation of the universe you will ultimately come to the conclusion that since the universe could not have come out of nothing it had a first cause and that first cause is God. The problem with this is if that is the case then who created God?And the actual answer does not add up but in my view it's true.Man during times of lack of understanding created God to fill in those gaps in knowledge regarding our origins and the origin of the universe.
I am perfectly happy with that conclusion before I cede to faith in a mythological fable.
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RE: Jehovah's Witnesses
February 7, 2009 at 2:34 pm
What a coicidence! Amazingly this morning two Jehovahs Witnesses knocked on my door and he immediately introduced himself and his colleague and began spewing the argument from design.I cut him short and told him that I was an atheist and that I did not believe in any of that "stuff".And to my surprise he said thank you and left,what no fight,no insistence on trying to shake me from my position of unbelief?That is a first for me, usually we get into a good old fashioned fierce debate and the they give up.
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RE: Jehovah's Witnesses
June 11, 2009 at 6:51 am
I'm living with a Jehovahs witness and I got her to concede that God is not All powerfull and not all knowing. her argument of where god came from was "more gods made that god and a god made that god etc". They believe that God accepted a challenge from the devil so I got her to say "i hate god" lol I'm proud of myself. Hopefully as time continues I can bring her around to reality.
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RE: Jehovah's Witnesses
June 11, 2009 at 1:23 pm
How about something like: "So - the word of God can be trusted because it's in 'The Bible' which is a holy book and the bible can be trusted because it's the word of God?...But isn't that kind of a circular argument with no real support from either the bible or this so-called "God" that you speak of and presumably genuinely believe in?"
Something like that?
The only answer I can think of them giving is the very obvious one "Because we have faith".
Which of course has no explanation and brooks no argument whatsoever. And is no rational reason to believe at all in and of itself (which is why 'rational faith' is an oxymoron - belief without evidence in and of itself is, of course, not rational (lol - I had to didn't I?)).
Obviously you may have to paraphrase the question, if you ask it lol.
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RE: Jehovah's Witnesses
June 11, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Ask them when the Watchtower book regime back in the 70's didn't come true (End of the world), what made them stay with their religion.
Also bring up something about blood transfusions and the 1000's of men, women, and children that have died because of their J.W. faith which prohibited them from receiving blood, which would have saved their life if done.
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