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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 7:58 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 7:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You assume that they do, this only goes to show your disinterest. Further, the notion that any given believer even holds the christology of their denomination is....meh, nevermind, you don't really care.....do you? Is this a conversation that you actually want to dive into? Or, would you rather continue to assert that they must all adhere to whatever christology is floating around in your head - or they're simply not christian?
41k plus 1, on your count, btw, apparently.
What do you want to have a conversation about? I'll be glad to discuss the beliefs of the various christian denominations with you. I find it an interesting subject and I've researched it a lot while examining my own beliefs. You're assuming things about me that aren't true.
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 8:00 pm
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I'm not assuming anything about you. You flat out said that anyone who didn't hold to your christology isn't a christian, by your metrics. Regardless of how infantile and (perhaps unintentionally, to give you an ounce) misleading I find that statement to be, I'm simply accepting that it is a true statement regarding your opinion. Would you like to make a modification? That you're fucking clueless isn;t an assumption of mine, but a demonstration of your own.
Do you actually think that there is anyone who holds to your christology, whatever that is? That between you and them both of you are in agreement on that count? How could you know that? Are you a fucking mind reader Lek? Hell, are you sure that you even know your own mind, regarding christology?
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 8:03 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 8:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm not assuming anything about you. You flat out said that anyone who didn't hold to your christology isn't a christian, by your metrics. Regardless of how infantile and (perhaps unintentionally, to give you an ounce) misleading I find that statement to be, I'm simply accepting that it is a true statement regarding your opinion. Would you like to make a modification?
No. That's what I believe. I'm just wondering why you think that means that I don't care about them. I believe that my wife is not a christian and I love her very much.
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 8:06 pm
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I think that you don't care about christology, jesus christ man...... 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 8:17 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 8:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I think that you don't care about christology, jesus christ man......
Believe me. I care about christology as well as all other facets of christianity. I can't get enough of it.
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 8:19 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 8:17 pm)Lek Wrote: (January 14, 2015 at 8:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I think that you don't care about christology, jesus christ man......
Believe me. I care about christology as well as all other facets of christianity. I can't get enough of it.
Show mormonism some love too! 
They have the much more update version of the bible anyways.
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 8:28 pm
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Well, then, buckle up. Before we get too deep (and this may take me days) let me give you a little taste of where I'll be steering this ship:
I'm going to ask you hundreds of questions about the nature of christ, largely sourced from denominations and christologies of groups you will have no overt knowledge of. That's a blind. I might be giving you a catholic line, a mormon line, a Bill the Roadside Preacher line - you'll never really know.
The moment that you answer any of those question differently than the "christian" to your left or right, I'm going to remind you that said "christian" does not hold to your christology. That they aren't, in your estimation, True Christians™. So if you can imagine any situation in which we might find ourselves in this situation, right off the bat, you can save me trouble, and yourself embarrassment (and it's coming...if you have any shame at all).
You know me, I'll seize on doublespeak, deflection, or outright deception like a mutt with a fucking T-bone. There won't be any "Oh, well, I didn't know you meant -that-" because you've already stated that you're very interested and spent alot of time studying. There won't be any "Oh well, close enough" because we're not talking about horseshoes or hand grenades.
So, I've been very blunt, very open with where I'm going to take this. I don;t want anyone to leave disappointed. I don't want you to waste your time with something you have no interest in, and it's certainly a broad subject...it's had a few thousand years to steep. There are myriad traditions, and many personal interpretations between individual believers within the same traditions.
Do you understand this conversation, that we're having? Are we on the same page?
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 8:33 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 8:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well, then, buckle up. Before we get too deep (and this may take me days) let me give you a little taste of where I'll be steering this ship:
I'm going to ask you hundreds of questions about the nature of christ, largely sourced from denominations and christologies of groups you will have no overt knowledge of. That's a blind. I might be giving you a catholic line, a mormon line, a Bill the Roadside Preacher line - you'll never really know.
The moment that you answer any of those question differently than the "christian" to your left or right, I'm going to remind you that said "christian" does not hold to your christology. That they aren't, in your estimation, True Christians™. So if you can imagine any situation in which we might find ourselves in this situation, right off the bat, you can save me trouble, and yourself embarrassment (and it's coming...if you have any shame at all).
You know me, I'll seize on doublespeak, deflection, or outright deception like a mutt with a fucking T-bone. There won't be any "Oh, well, I didn't know you meant -that-" because you've already stated that you're very interested and spent alot of time studying. There won't be any "Oh well, close enough" because we're not talking about horseshoes or hand grenades.
So, I've been very blunt, very open with where I'm going to take this. I don;t want anyone to leave disappointed. I don't want you to waste your time with something you have no interest in, and it's certainly a broad subject...it's had a few thousand years to steep. There are myriad traditions, and many personal interpretations between individual believers within the same traditions.
Do you understand this conversation, that we're having? Are we on the same page?
Sure. Go for it. I've got an event to help out with tonight and work tomorrow, so don't think I deserted you if I don't answer right away. Plus I might need to do some research depending on how challenging your questions are, but I'll be here.
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 8:36 pm
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Research? You mean..gasp..you don't know your own fucking mind, and yet you presume to not only know the minds of others but also their agreement with thoughts you may not have even considered in yourself - that you'll have to source -elsewhere-? You're already wasting my time and providing a demonstration of exactly what I'm discussing. You don't know your own christology but can state that if a person doesn't hold this thing you yourself may not even know that they can't be a True Christian™. How do you know that you're a True Christian™, then? Do you need to look that up, too?
.........I told you, mutt, tbone.....you couldn't make it one post....and I haven't asked you the first god-damned question!
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 8:42 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 8:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Research? You mean..gasp..you don't know your own fucking mind? You're already wasting my time and providing a demonstration of exactly what I'm discussing. You don't know your own christology but can state that if a person doesn't hold this thing you yourself may not even know that they can't be a True Christian™. How do you know that you're a True Christian™, then? Do you need to look that up, too?
.........I told you, mutt, tbone.....you couldn't make it one post.
You are a trip man! Do you want to have a discussion or throw insults?
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