RE: What is wrong with this premise?
February 20, 2015 at 9:35 pm
(This post was last modified: February 20, 2015 at 9:40 pm by GrandizerII.)
(February 19, 2015 at 9:47 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Heywood, prove me that everything needs a cause.
Not possible. What's possible is logically proving that not everything needs a cause. After all, "something" must've existed from infinity past and which had no cause. Otherwise, if there was a point in "time" when literally nothing existed, then nothing would've arisen from this literal nothingness. But we know that this is not the case. So there must've been some infinite "something".
Of course, Heywood will say that's God. But it doesn't have to be. It could be something metaphysical but not conscious that's behind the structure and workings of some multiverse that is infinitely divided into all these universes. Or it could be something else. Saying "God therefore must exist" is just God of the gaps argument.
(February 20, 2015 at 9:06 pm)Heywood Wrote:(February 20, 2015 at 7:08 pm)bennyboy Wrote: We do not know that the circumstances, whatever they might be, in which a God would seem probably exist. There is no parallel here at all. So far, the only place we know God exists is in the human imagination, as an idea.
So far the only place we know extra terrestrial aliens exist is in the human imagination, as an idea. So it is exactly parallel. Aliens ought to exist in a finite emergent complex universe as large as ours. Eternal, infinite intellect ought to exist in a reality which is eternal, infinite and eternally emergent complex.
Granted, my conclusion is based on some assumption I can't prove.
1. Reality is eternal.
2. Reality is eternally emergent complex.
3. There is no upper bound on intellect, ability, or knowledge.
However given these assumptions it seems to me that God ought to exist.
Even if we grant the above premises, this doesn't lead to the conclusion that there must be an eternally intelligent divine being.
At best, it shows that intelligence infinitely grows in an infinite universe to no bounds.