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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 16, 2015 at 10:50 am
(February 13, 2015 at 1:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: Oh, like I didn't know there are opposing viewpoints.
So, you understood that there was evidence that explained all this, making your claim that there wasn't any evidence to explain it since Darwin's time a... lie? 
Do you often lie, just to prop up the complete lack of evidence you have for your central claims? 
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 12, 2015 at 2:43 am
(February 6, 2015 at 1:44 pm)Tonus Wrote: And Kate Mulgrew, who narrated the 'documentary,' posted this to her Facebook page:
It also seems as if Krauss wasn't interviewed for the 'documentary'; he was quote-mined:
Quote:For all who asked: Some clips of me apparently were mined for movie on geocentricism. So stupid does disservice to word nonsense. Ignore it.
Time for snowtracks to backtracks, methinks. Okay, but let's don't forget, he did sign the check. Krauss is also of the opinion the that universe came from nothing which aligns with the Biblical 'Ex nihilo' doctrine of creation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 12, 2015 at 2:44 am
Oh Lawrence, what have you done!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 12, 2015 at 2:46 am
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Right....
Except that in the creation "model" everything wasn't created at once, it was popping up out of nowhere all over the place in a series of "from nothing" creations.
And Krauss didn't mention Morgan Freeman standing in the middle of all that nothing, either.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 13, 2015 at 12:49 am
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The bible's brand of creation is far from ex nihilo. According to the bible there was always God standing by with the potential to pull a universe out of his hat. The cosmological brat goes too far but he strikes me as someone enjoying a joke when he says it. Regardless he is either wrong or misleading, and if the latter it is probably for a good cause like increased book sales.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 13, 2015 at 2:22 am
(March 12, 2015 at 2:43 am)snowtracks Wrote: Krauss is also of the opinion the that universe came from nothing which aligns with the Biblical 'Ex nihilo' doctrine of creation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing
Because if two things share a single superficial similarity, they are the same thing. It's why I play basketball with a pumpkin, staple wheels to my dog's legs and expect it to be a car, and drink antifreeze because it comes in a receptacle, and so does juice.
You're a fucking idiot, Snowy.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 16, 2015 at 1:19 am
(March 13, 2015 at 2:22 am)Esquilax Wrote: (March 12, 2015 at 2:43 am)snowtracks Wrote: Krauss is also of the opinion the that universe came from nothing which aligns with the Biblical 'Ex nihilo' doctrine of creation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing
Because if two things share a single superficial similarity, they are the same thing. It's why I play basketball with a pumpkin, staple wheels to my dog's legs and expect it to be a car, and drink antifreeze because it comes in a receptacle, and so does juice.
You're a fucking idiot, Snowy. Well, at least you tried and you deserve credit for that.
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March 16, 2015 at 1:22 am
What evidence do you have to support the claim a mind can create things out of "nothing?"
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March 16, 2015 at 7:05 pm
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(March 16, 2015 at 1:22 am)Pizz-atheist Wrote: What evidence do you have to support the claim a mind can create things out of "nothing?"
Oh yeah! Perhaps nobody's thought to simply ask for evidence! Theists love giving examples of evidence, all you have to do is ask for it, and they'll sprinkle it on you like fucking pixie dust. After they sprinkle it on you, If you close your eyes and think of a happy thought, it'll make you fuckin' fly! 
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 17, 2015 at 8:57 am
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(March 13, 2015 at 12:49 am)whateverist Wrote: The bible's brand of creation is far from ex nihilo. According to the bible there was always God standing by with the potential to pull a universe out of his hat. The cosmological brat goes too far but he strikes me as someone enjoying a joke when he says it. Regardless he is either wrong or misleading, and if the latter it is probably for a good cause like increased book sales.
'Zactly.
Absolutely nothing means absolutely nothing. It does not include a universe creating potential in an omnipotent being.
I'm not a fan of the quantum fluctuation supposedly responsible for the origin of the universe "coming from nothing." This is inferred from models which are extrapolated beyond a point at which they lose predictive powers. Before that (causally, but not temporally as it was from this event that time itself emerged) the laws we've discovered by observation of existing consistencies may not hold. So conditions predicted by such laws also lose legitimacy. I find it quite plausible that the event which caused the universe involved a dimension into which we cannot look. If a two dimensional puddle receives a raindrop falling from a 3d sky, the impact just happens from the viewpoint of the flatlanders on the surface of the puddle. They can't look up. My view is that something we don't and possibly can't observe, as it occurs in a direction we can't see, happened to cause the universe and that is where we will probably have to leave the matter. "I don't know what happened" most emphatically does not include an old guy with a long beard who looks pretty much like us.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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