Sins

[Cyberman]

For the most part, sin is the brand name for human nature criminalised. It's a doubly-profitable arrangement, controlling the credulous masses while simultaneously empowering and enriching the élite purporting to know the cure. That anyone would willingly shackle themselves to this kind of feudalistic pyramid scheme in the 21st century is a constant source of bewilderment for me.

[Homeless Nutter]

If mono-theists really believe in the concept of sin - I wonder what goes through their screwed-up little nuts, while they're consciously committing sins, like stealing, adultery, or masturbation. "I know there is this omnipotent, omnipresent being, that watches my every move, but I think I can get away with it, if I'm quick enough..."?

Perhaps it's more like: "I know God categorically forbids this, but he'll make an exception for me, because I'm special, somehow. "

Or is it: "God's a pussy. I'll do what I want now, tell God that I'm sorry later - and he'll have to forgive me, because he loves me so much..."

Or do they just conveniently become atheists/agnostics for brief periods of time?

If I believed in gravity, but occasionally walked out of windows, regardless of height, because I was a "flawed", imperfect human and my faith in gravity wasn't "strong enough" - I'd be locked up and heavily medicated, for my own safety. If you believe in a God and yet you risk eternal damnation by breaking any of his commandments, however minute - there must be something wrong with you.
EDIT: I mean - besides the fact that you believe in a God.

[daver49]

For the most part, sin is the brand name for human nature criminalised.

Yes! It is a brand name produced by a profit (or is it prophet) driven company we might refer to as Religion, inc. It makes me wonder if there are other competing "corporations" that call their product something else but has the same effect?

[robvalue]

That christianity can you make you feel you are worse than a serial rapist just for having thoughts or not living your life to "perfection"... What an evil establishment.

Does it do that to you? If that is the case, I want the next exit to Brooklyn!
We are to be perfect as God is perfect...not necessarily the same concept that we have of perfection. It seems that we think we "know" what that is, and thus the SNAFU...at least in my view from the valley surrounded by mountains.

No, it doesn't do anything to me because I don't believe any of it. I feel for those trapped within it that suffer needlessly.

[Tonus]

Does it do that to you? If that is the case, I want the next exit to Brooklyn!
We are to be perfect as God is perfect...not necessarily the same concept that we have of perfection. It seems that we think we "know" what that is, and thus the SNAFU...at least in my view from the valley surrounded by mountains.

God could've made this a moot point by making it clear what he meant. But as with the rest of the Bible, the reader is left to figure it out for himself, and unsurprisingly people cannot seem to reach a consensus. That might be another fun topic to throw at the theists: ask them to define what perfection means in the Biblical context and count the number of different answers and try to figure out which one is the most unspecific and vague.

[robvalue]

God looks at his creation, how they live, and sees none of them are doing it perfectly. He thinks, "If you want a job doing properly, do it yourself."

God can take a long walk off a short pier. With no arm bands on.

[Drich]

Sin is like a Zombie virus.

If your infected even alittle then you can not mix with the rest of the population.

You can't say well I am infected with the Zombie virus, but I give to unicef generously. or I am indeed infected but I'm basically a 'good person.'

Eternity with God is of a pure/set apart nature (Which is what the word holy actually means) that will not allow for anyone one inffected with the Zombie virus of sin into 'healthy soceity'/Heaven

Are you saying you've never sinned, Drich?

Attoment is the one and only cure for the zombie virus of sin. Once you have taken the cure it then inoculates you from future exposure as well.

I have been cure/saved from my sin as have everyone else who accepts the cure Christ offers.

[Norman Humann]

Attoment is the one and only cure for the zombie virus of sin. Once you have taken the cure it then inoculates you from future exposure as well.

I have been cure/saved from my sin as have everyone else who accepts the cure Christ offers.

So what you're saying is the usual: use Jesus as your free Get Out of Jail card. I'm curious, how does that relate to the issue of homosexuality you claimed earlier was a sin, in your mind? Is it enough to just scapegoat Jesus or does god demand the impossible, as in: to stop being gay?

[robvalue]

Christian: "Being gay is a choice! I know this because I can choose to be gay any time I want. And it was fucking good. But it's a sin so I chose to switch back."

[Drich]

I think the biggest misunderstanding with sin as it relates to Christianity I see repeated over and over in this thread is that you all seem to be arguing from the position the idea of sin somehow binds the Christian or more over that a Christian must be sin free, and that sin or the identification of it in one's life must mean that one has to change what he is doing to live a sin free existance..

While there are branches of Christianity that teach this, and we can bind ourselves this way, this life of 'legalism' is not what biblical Christianity is about. True biblical Christianity draws a completely different picture of sin and the believer's relationship to it. In fact Atheism/living by pop 'morality' has one live closer to this model of do goodery than what is expected of us.

In short once we accept Christ our forgiveness of sin is based on how we love God and our ablity to forgive those who sin against us. (Treating others as we want to be treated.) Does that mean we get to do what we want? Absolutly. because if we love God with all of our being then what we want will be what God wants for us. Does that mean we continue to sin? Yes, we will continue to sin. Then what changes? our love for sin. We can not love our sin and Love God with all of our being.

Basically God wants our best effort. Not what we lable orfeign as our best, he truly wants all that we can offer, for our failings we have grace.

This whole principle is spelled out in romans 7 (The whole Chapter.) It is where the apstole Paul himself admits to being a hopeless sinner. He identifies himself as a slave to sin. He goes on to say, because is Sin's slave he can not help but sin. But, while he sins he hates it and all that he does. If such a line can be drawn he tells us then it is not us who sin, but the sin living within our bodies.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV

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Being Gay as it relates to sin.

Is homosexual sex a sin? Absolutly!!!
Is straight sex a sin? Absolutly, In the same exact way homosexual sex is a sin.

What does that mean?

It means ALL Sex outside of a santified marriage is the SAME EXACT SIN! God sees and identifies Sexual sin, all sexual sin merrits the same 'death'. Gay or Straight.

So is being gay a choice?? ABSOLUTLY just like Choosing to have straight sex out side of a santified marriage, is also a choice.

The difference? God does not santify a homosexual marriages. Therefore it is always a sin to have gay sex, where as hetro-sex has a santified pretext in which it is permitted.

What does this mean? it means the same thing it meant to Paul in Romans 7. The sinner must seek out attonement and turn from his sin. Just like a hetro couple would who was not married.