Sins

[FatAndFaithless]

The only sin is to be sexually active (In heart or deed) outside of a santified marriage. same sex, different sex it is all the same sin, and demands the same attonement.

Being attracted to someone would qualify as being 'sexually active' to you?

[Drich]

Anything not in the Expressed Will of God. (Expressed Will= The Law or the Way of God.)

Dritch, is owning another person (aka slavery) a sin?




Trying to establish a baseline

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We are all slaves to something or someone, so no. It is how one treats another that sin can be found.

[abaris]

Again a 'homosexual man' who does not have a sexual attraction toward members of the same sex is A-sexual. There is nothing wrong with being an a-Sexual according to Christ.
(He refered to them as eunics)

So what does that actually mean? Does that mean, you are sexually attracted to men as well as women? Nothing wrong with that. Otherwise it's just stating the obvious.

And I couldn't be less interested in your theological acrobatics. I'm asking Drich, why he considers homosexuality a choice if Drich isn't attracted to men also.

[Drich]

Dritch, is owning another person (aka slavery) a sin?




Trying to establish a baseline

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Dude, Drich has explictly and eagerly endorsed slavery as okay, and has prayed for members on this forum to get cancer. There is no baseline to establish, heh.

Actually I only ever offered to pray for one of yall to get cancer. the only one I prayed for to get cancer was myself if thats what it took to have a deeper understanding of God.

[Mudhammam]

A comment in another thread made me want to ask this to the Christians on this forum.

What is sin?

Misplaced guilt one feels for offending an imaginary prude.

Do you sin every day?

According to someone's religion, probably. In my opinion, no.

Do you believe thoughts can be sins?

Do you think that you have to act on thoughts for them to become sins?

Are some sins worse than others?

Nope.

[Norman Humann]

Explain the contradiction as you see it please.

In the first post you say that through christ the future exposure to sin is prevented. In the second you say after finding christ christians continue to sin. Do you not see the contradiction? Are you really that dense?

There are more contradictory statements within your posts. Bolding mine.

I think the biggest misunderstanding with sin as it relates to Christianity I see repeated over and over in this thread is that you all seem to be arguing from the position the idea of sin somehow binds the Christian or more over that a Christian must be sin free, and that sin or the identification of it in one's life must mean that one has to change what he is doing to live a sin free existance..

Here you are saying that christians do not have to be sin free...

Sin is like a Zombie virus.

If your infected even alittle then you can not mix with the rest of the population.

You can't say well I am infected with the Zombie virus, but I give to unicef generously. or I am indeed infected but I'm basically a 'good person.'

Eternity with God is of a pure/set apart nature (Which is what the word holy actually means) that will not allow for anyone one inffected with the Zombie virus of sin into 'healthy soceity'/Heaven

...and here you are again, saying that they do.

I wonder what the mental gymnastics will be like this time.

[Drich]

So tell us, Drich. When did you personally make the choice of being straight?

I use to drive a route/service truck out to the coast 3 or 4 times aweek. One day the truck broke down (hottest day ever) so I called it in and limped the truck over to a rest area along side the turnpike. I was there at least an hour, and decided to go down to a swimming area take my boots off and soak my feet in the cold water. I wasn't there 5 mins when a 300 lb dude came up and asked "Are you working?" I was wearing a work shirt and said I technically am but my truck is broke down so I can really get to your equipment to fix it. he looked confused and said: "No, I meant are you Wooorking" and did an eyebrow raise It took me a second and I said no... Then I cleared my voice and said HELL NO! much deeper. Then I gather up my things and went back to the truck and sat in it with the windows up.

Whatever day that was, it was the day I decided I was definatly hetrosexual! I even had the extra lure of cash... and still decided I was not Gay.

And what appeal did being gay have on you, since you consider it a choice? More importantly, could you be gay, if you were to simply follow your urges?

Going to Hell is a 'choice' as well, yet like being gay holds no appeal to me.

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As for 'accepting' Christ, wouldn't a measure of the sincerity of that acceptance be manifest in eschewing sin(s) ?

For example, if Willy Sutton (always handy to cite ol' Willy) in the midst of a bank robbery suddenly saw the light, I'd think he would immediately stop robbing the bank, and maybe even start distributing the boodle to the poorer looking tellers and customers present. I don't think an authentic conversion during an actual bank robbery would be evident later, and I also suspect an actual sincere conversion would be apparent by a total lack of subsequent bank robberies.

For you maybe.. for for the one hardwired to robbing banks, this maybe something he can not give up.

We all have weaknesses in sin. for me it maybe robbing banks. To you this sin should be easy to kick. Maybe for you, you like to kick little old ladies in the teeth and take their disloged dentures... again for me this would be an non issue but for you, your hardwired to steal dentures...
Again Romans 7 Paul was hard wired in his sin of choice and while he did not identify the sin it self the principle remains. We all have a sin we can not kick for some it maybe sex outside of a santified marriage for other it maybe greed, whatever your sin of choice is, know if Paul arguably the greatest apstole could not kick his sin then neither will you.

The solution? to turn your heart from this sin and learn to hate it, because it takes you from the God you love with all your being. That is all God asks of us. Not that we live sin free. If it were possible to live sin free then Christ would not have died on the cross.

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Other know, to have have a sexual attraction to the same sex (sexual thought or sexual acts) is the defination of Homosexuality. to which Christ identifies a longing in the heart is being the same as doing the deed.

Fuck christ!

Maybe that's getting your attention. So do you have feelings towards the same sex and consider it a choice to live with a female partner?

You personally, not christ, not Webster.

learn to wait your turn

[abaris]

Going to Hell is a 'choice' as well, yet like being gay holds no appeal to me.

So dodging and hiding behind woo again.

Smashing my head against the wall, though possible, isn't a choice. It's a possibility. A choice is between two or more equally appealing options. And turning gay - at least for a straight man or woman - isn't even a possibility. No hard feelings in the lower regions, if you get my drift.

[Drich]

The only sin is to be sexually active (In heart or deed) outside of a santified marriage. same sex, different sex it is all the same sin, and demands the same attonement.

Being attracted to someone would qualify as being 'sexually active' to you?

Being attracted to someone sexually means think of that person with you in a sexual manner.. which again qualifies as what you have identified as 'thought crime.'

Which is why I brought A-sexuality into this conversation. If one is not attracted to the oppsite sex, and again is not thinking of the same sex in a sexual way, they are a-sexual and not in any type of sin concerning sex.

However if one is attracted to the same sex in a sexual manner (by thought or deed) they can be identified as being homosexual or gay, and subsequently guilty of a sexual sin. either by thought or deed.

So to say a gay man is guilty of sexual sin just like a heterosexual man outside the confines of a santified marriage. refers to both men's thoughts or deeds concerning sex out side of a santified marriage. Which again is the only biblical pretext in which sex is not considered a sin.

[FatAndFaithless]

Being attracted to someone would qualify as being 'sexually active' to you?

Being attracted to someone sexually means think of that person with you in a sexual manner.. which again qualifies as what you have identified as 'thought crime.'

Which is why I brought A-sexuality into this conversation. If one is not attracted to the oppsite sex, and again is not thinking of the same sex in a sexual way, they are a-sexual and not in any type of sin concerning sex.

However if one is attracted to the same sex in a sexual manner (by thought or deed) they can be identified as being homosexual or gay, and subsequently guilty of a sexual sin. either by thought or deed.

So to say a gay man is guilty of sexual sin just like a heterosexual man outside the confines of a santified marriage. refers to both men's thoughts or deeds concerning sex out side of a santified marriage. Which again is the only biblical pretext in which sex is not considered a sin.

A simple 'yes' would've sufficed.

So even certain thoughts are sinful. What a wonderfully totallitarian world you want to live in Drich. But leave us out of it.