Mind over matter?

[downbeatplumb]

" I probably think therefore i probably am" this illusion of thought could all be produced by a suitably powered computer with the right software.

Theists can you prove that it isnt? (See how you like proving a negative for once)

[Pippy]

possible for a computer to think a tought?

I am game. A computer does not think thoughts, it can only go through processes that we program it to go through. It may display the words "Ithink I think therefore I thinnk I am", but that is not it's thoughts. Unfourtunatley for you analogy, Computers are not alive.

Point.

[theVOID]

It's absolutely possible Pippy, to an extent it has already been done, using the same principles that drive evolution in an experiment by Charles Ofria.

Experiments in Avida nearly always start with the simplest possible organisms, ones that can only clone themselves. To make them evolve, the experimenters release them into a competitive environment where the prize is an amount of “food” - aka processing time - which allows organisms to produce more clones. In early memory experiments, Laura Grabowski, now at the University of Texas-Pan American, Edinburg, set up a food gradient in a computer environment made of a grid of cells. First-generation Avidians were placed at the low end of the gradient, in a cell that had minimal food. Straight ahead of them, however, lay a cell that had more. The Avidians replicated themselves for nearly 100 generations, “living” and “dying” in the cell. Then one evolved a computer instruction to move forward. When it landed in an energy-richer cell, it reproduced more rapidly. Many thousands of generations later, some of its descendents were seen following the food gradient to its source, where concentrations were highest

Even then the Avidians did not home in on the source. They stumbled their way along the gradient in zigzags, sensing the food and eventually reaching the source. They had evolved to ability to compare food in its current and past locations. “Doing this requires some rudimentary intelligence,” says Pennock. “You have to be able to assess your situation, realise you’re not going in the right direction, reorient, and then reassess.” Next, Grabowski sent a fresh batch of non-evolved Avidians on a treasure hunt. This time, cells contained a numerical code, which indicated in what direction the organisms should turn to find more food. But there was an additional twist to the task. Some cells contained the instruction “repeat what you did last time”. The Avidians once more evolved into forms that could interpret and execute the instruction. “The environment sets up selective pressures so organisms are forced to come up with some kind of memory use - which is in fact what they do,” says Grabowski.

This is not unlike evolution in living creatures, and the findings of the MSU computer scientists have attracted interest from biologists. “Laura’s work suggests that the evolution of an ability to solve simple navigational problems depends on first evolving a simple short-term memory - and this in digital organisms that still don’t exhibit something you would call learning,” says Fred Dyer, an MSU zoologist who advised Grabowski. Dyer says this sort of insight would be all but impossible to obtain by studying biological systems.
(Artificial Life 2009, p 92).

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