Proof of God

[robvalue]

I can't imagine any other way that things could end up how they are now, unless the Flying Spaghetti Monster has been solely responsible. Therefor reality must adjust, if necessary, so that this is correct.

[Harris]

Yes, because the Islamic community is so psychologically healthy and well-balanced. . . much better than those corrupted, suffering Canadians, Swiss, Finns, Australians, New Zealanders. Dude, do you not have access to the outside world at all? What you say and observable reality are so far apart that your religion is now bordering on psychosis.

Sure sure. Knowledge of the balance of my Four Psychic Winds, and of the Pooh Cycles of the Magic Space monkey, also take root in the heart. Stop talking as though your fairy tale were real, and start getting down to the part where you prove God exists without 100-line word salad.

Stop making shit up. The best countries in the world right now are non-islamic, and largely non-religious. You don't see Canadians cannibalizing each other in the streets more and more as religion becomes gradually obsolete there, do you? You keep saying "would" and then following it with demonstrably false assertions.

The reason I've chosen an agnostic path is that I don't know for sure if there is some kind of Creator who might be called god. But I'm not agnostic about YOUR vision of God: it's nonsense.

That you think so is obvious. But you need to learn how logic works if you think anything about your religion or its texts is logical.

Do you want me to quote the literally hundreds of stories showing women being beaten, having acid poured in their faces, been shot, been raped and then blamed for adultury? Just because one crazy muslim chick wants to wear a towel on her head doesn't mean that Islam is a champion of the rights of women.

No. Sharia law IS the insult to God. The entire body of Sharia law is a violation of the concepts of freewill, of love and compassion. It is a law which implies a complete lack of faith-- you do not believe God can guide, can judge, or can punish on His own, but needs a bunch of oppressive misogynists to carry out his will.

There's nothing wrong with nudity, either. Well-adjusted people can go to a nude beach, appreciate the freedom of wearing the clothes nature gave them, and do it without raping a woman, blaming her, and stoning her for death for not covering up.

The desire is not in the woman-- it's in the sexually repressed brains of dysfunctional men. And increasing the taboo only increases the dysfunction.

Again, you are making shit up, and do not have actual facts. I can play the bullshit speculation game, too. Don't you know that homosexuals are encouraged by non-homosexuals revealing their dirty faces and their glistening muscles? Don't you know that every man who goes shirtless or even bare-armed is provoking the desires in the homosexuals and that they must therefore also wear full-body-bathtowels in order to prevent others from losing moral self-control?

In defence, you have thrown on me a whole trashcan full of junky provocations and contentions. However, that is not disturbing as after all garbage is garbage.

For the sake of argument, I agree with all that you have said against Muslim men:

Muslim men are psychosis,
They beat women,
They pour acid in women’s faces,
They shot women,
They blame their raped women for adultery and stoned them,
They are oppressive misogynists,
They have sexually repressed brains,
They are dysfunctional men,
They love to promote taboo,
Canadians, Swiss, Finns, Australians, New Zealanders are the wonderful residents of wonderlands.
These wonderlands are non-Islamic, and largely non-religious.

Question 1
If Muslim men are so violent and discourteous to women and “The entire body of Sharia law is a violation of the concepts of freewill, of love and compassion which implies a complete lack of faith” then why Modern, Well Educated, and Well Behaved citizens of your wonderlands are accepting Islam as their religion.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/02/living...-religion/
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2790/e...g-to-islam

Question 2
Women in your wonderlands should be fatigued by the importunate threats of volatile Sharia and should be terrified to death by insanely and abusive character of these dirty filthy Muslim men.

However, strange enough, about 75% of the civilized people who are willingly accepting Islam, in your wonderlands, are in fact women. These women are willingly covering their bodies by wearing a repressive hijab in public places. So who is forcing them to go into Islam and wear that awkward Hijab?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/14/opinio...vert-irpt/
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21283301

Now, for the sake of argument, I also agree that:

Men are getting friendlier in the streets as religion is vanishing in your wonderlands.
Deeds of these men are in complete synchrony with the concepts of freewill, of love and compassion.
These men are so well adjusted that on nude beaches they have complete control over their beings and they do not rape and do not stone woman for not covering up.

Question 3
If men in wonderlands are in perfect harmony with the concept of “freewill, love, and compassion,” then what is the meaning of ban over wearing headscarf in public places and how would you explain all of the following disturbing facts, which reside right in the middle of your WONDERLANDS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ser...of_victims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/23...59776.html
http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-o...nce-league
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/P...ainstWomen

These links are barely small scratches on the surface.

All the destruction and chaos in Muslim world is the outcome of artificial “war on terror” instigated by the men of wonderlands. These men are putting immense efforts to UNDRESS Muslim Women in the similar fashion as they have done it with their own women. Men in your wonderland are:

promoting insane sexual content over mass media so even children have access to it,
promoting idea of having more nude beaches and more striptease,
elevating disgusting prostitutes to a dignified rank of sex-workers,
legalizing same sex marriages,
validating adultery by consent as legal and,
validating insect by consent as legal

In other words, there are some human actions, which pertain only to the bodily, “animal” faculties, which include sensation, imagination, sexual intercourse, and desire. Men in your wonderlands pursue these actions in a purely animal fashion and transformed traditional human values to purely animal character, under the crooked slogan of liberalism and sexually permissive hedonism.

If women go nude in public, men have assigned that animal-like existence to them.

“But their hearts are in confused ignorance of this; and there are, besides that, deeds of theirs, which they will (continue) to do,”
Al Mu'minuun (23)
-Verse 63-

“Not equal are the blind and those who (clearly) see: Nor are (equal) those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and those who do evil. Little do ye learn by admonition!”
Al Mu'min (40)
-Verse 58-

I can rely on my senses, generally speaking, because they relay consistent data. A stone in my shoe will feel like a stone and not, say, a slug. In fact, the moment my senses start giving conflicting data is the moment I am aware that something is wrong.

But more than that, I can examine the stone, weigh it, measure it. I may even remember where I was when it got into my shoe. I can give it to someone else who can verify it independently. They might subject it to chemical and spectroscopic analysis, so as to determine what minerals it's made from; maybe even its age. It might be found to be a meteorite, something not readily apparent to the untrained eye at first glance.

So there's quite a lot we can do to discern the truth, be it stones or anything else, and have those results confirmed independently. Show me one single instance of a god meeting these same criteria and surviving analysis as a simple stone.

I did not ask you how good you are in perceiving material stuff with or without the help of science; rather I have asked you to exhibit your most reliable subjective conscious experiences by using scientific methods.

If you manage to exhibit your immaterial subjective conscious experiences (your qualia) then I assure you that by using your methods I would be able to show you God.

Nevertheless, you are demanding for a perceivable evidence of God without thinking that once God would unveil Himself that would be the end of your Free Will. After observing God if you believe in Him then that belief would be worthless. Your intellect and your freedom have meanings only until God is behind the veil.

“Is it that their faculties of understanding urge them to this, or are they but a people transgressing beyond bounds?”
Ath-Thuur (52)
-Verse 32-

I thought you were trying to offer a proof of god.....when is that forthcoming?  Meh,

You need to upgrade your intellect from the level of Meh (animal instincts) to the level of conscious human in order to understand the Proof of God that I had offered in my main post. You are free to give your counter argument on that.

In the meantime, who says the universe is the product of "nothing, accident, or chance" anyway?

If universe is not the product of Nothingness, Accident, Chance and it is not eternal and God is not the creator of it then what options do you have to explain its origin.

-additionally, you probably ought to do just the bare minimum research into NS before you opine so confidently about it, you've gone full retard, up there...in that regard.  Could your statement be parsed so as to embarrass the shit out of you?  Yeah, it could (assuming you have shame....which might be an assumption too far.....)...but there's no need.....because no amount of claiming "the other guy's wrong" will advance your own position.

If you are sure that Natural Selection is science then why do not you provide some solid equation that may explain the working of Natural Selection?

Lets try this:

-Evolution never happened,

True

all of our explanations for the origin of life and this planet, even this universe are all 100% wrong.

There are no explanations for the origin of life and for the origin of Universe. Therefore, there being right or wrong is illogical.

Now, kindly demonstrate that -your god explanation- is correct?

Let me give you a simple argument.

My argument is “God has created the universe and everything.”

What do you have to rationalise the origin of universe, of your own amazing body, and of your miraculous consciousness if according to you “universe is not the product of Nothingness, Accident, Chance and it is not eternal and God is not the creator?”

Got it: you're too stupid to understand that "Evolution by Natural selection" is an effect perceived from the multidisciplinary study of fossils; evolution of fast reproducing life forms such as bacteria and fruit flies; isolated populations, etc, etc, etc.

Natural selection has no political purpose. Nor does it promote any ideology.
Now... theology, on the other hand... the muslim kind that you claim to be true... oh boy!

Simply give something similar to  F=G  m1m2/r^2   for Natural Selection. It would far more effective than any of the concocted words are.

[Minimalist]

Damn it. My internet is slow so I guess I have to get the axe out and kill a few more people.

Especially if they are eating up your bandwidth.

[The Grand Nudger]

There are no explanations for the origin of life and for the origin of Universe. Therefore, there being right or wrong is illogical.

-and you managed to type that without imploding........?

Let me give you a simple argument. 

My argument is “God has created the universe and everything.”

It may be simple, but it's not an argument, and I don't believe you.  So I guess that's that, eh?

What do you have to rationalise the origin of universe, of your own amazing body, and of your miraculous consciousness if according to you “universe is not the product of Nothingness, Accident, Chance and it is not eternal and God is not the creator?”

........sorry, I already told you..everything we know is wrong...so it doesn't matter how I rationalize it.  I'm afraid you'll have to find some other way to establish credibility for yourself or your claims.  

[pocaracas]

Question 1
If Muslim men are so violent and discourteous to women and “The entire body of Sharia law is a violation of the concepts of freewill, of love and compassion which implies a complete lack of faith” then why Modern, Well Educated, and Well Behaved citizens of your wonderlands are accepting Islam as their religion.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/02/living...-religion/
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2790/e...g-to-islam

Ignorance. And non-adherence to sharia in its fullest, like most people who are born into a muslim community.

Question 2
Women in your wonderlands should be fatigued by the importunate threats of volatile Sharia and should be terrified to death by insanely and abusive character of these dirty filthy Muslim men.

However, strange enough, about 75% of the civilized people who are willingly accepting Islam, in your wonderlands, are in fact women. These women are willingly covering their bodies by wearing a repressive hijab in public places. So who is forcing them to go into Islam and wear that awkward Hijab?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/14/opinio...vert-irpt/
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21283301

Women are, typically, more in tune with their emotions than men and, as a consequence, become more religious.
Stupidity and an eagerness to show the world that they have converted to islam leads to that adoption of the hijab.... it also saves them some time as they don't need to comb their hair if it's to be covered at all times.

Question 3
If men in wonderlands are in perfect harmony with the concept of “freewill, love, and compassion,” then what is the meaning of ban over wearing headscarf in public places and how would you explain all of the following disturbing facts, which reside right in the middle of your WONDERLANDS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ser...of_victims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/23...59776.html
http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-o...nce-league
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/P...ainstWomen

These links are barely small scratches on the surface.

Isn't it amazing that there isn't any statistics concerning countries where muslim theocracies exist?

The ban of the niqab is a matter of public safety.
Have you ever seen what bank robbers wear in all movies? How easy it would be to wear a niqab and have the same result?

[Cyberman]

I did not ask you how good you are in perceiving material stuff with or without the help of science; rather I have asked you to exhibit your most reliable subjective conscious experiences by using scientific methods.

When what I perceive is corroborated by a third party, when it can be analysed and measured and its properties understood, we can say with as much certainty as is possible that what I perceive is, for all practical purposes, the truth. A stone will pass this testing every single time without fail.

If you manage to exhibit your immaterial subjective conscious experiences (your qualia) then I assure you that by using your methods I would be able to show you God.

Great - give us something testable and cerifiable and I will convert in a heartbeat.

Nevertheless, you are demanding for a perceivable evidence of God without thinking that once God would unveil Himself that would be the end of your Free Will. After observing God if you believe in Him then that belief would be worthless. Your intellect and your freedom have meanings only until God is behind the veil.

The difference between gods and stones is that stones can be demonstrated to exist and have real-world influences whether or not you believe in them. Free will has nothing to do with it - otherwise we would have no holy books or people trying to convert others. You are evidence of this, your assurance that you can show me "God" would violate my free will. So your objection is irrelevant; stop being silly.

[bennyboy]

In defence, you have thrown on me a whole trashcan full of junky provocations and contentions. However, that is not disturbing as after all garbage is garbage.

Fine. Let's grant that Islam is a religious of peace and tolerance, that the historical roots that made it flourish and become great in the middle ages still persist, and that Islam is growing because it's a fantastic religion. Now, let's skip the pages-long red herring in which you debate your cultural views of choice, and get down to the part where you demonstrate that the God idea is not a fairy tale.

Yes, I'm aware that you claim you've done so. However, it is not up to you to present arguments which satisfy you as an already-Muslim. If you want anyone who reads your comments to accept your idea, you have to raise your arguments to the standard of a rational person. You have to explain ANYTHING I can observe in a way which shows the God idea to be necessary, or at least the best match for some part of observable reality. You haven't done so.

I also somewhat dislike the pure volume of your posts. You seem to think that more words add more weight. They don't. The truth shouldn't require that many words, in my opinion. So tell me, in less than a hundred words: what aspect of reality is best explained by the existence of God?

[IATIA]

Since pure nothingness is an impossibility, there never was a time when Being did not exist.

"Being" is what? As it stands, that statement is nothing more than a 'straw man'.