I'd call that an unacceptable conflict of interest.

"I love my family and cheddar cheese equally."
"I love my family and blue sweatervests equally."
"I love my family and white GE toasters equally."

.....sounds f-ing ridiculous, doesn't it? I guess "god" makes it all better, or something.

(May 15, 2015 at 10:26 am)Hatshepsut Wrote:

(May 13, 2015 at 5:38 pm)LostLocke Wrote: P1 In the past 20 years the murder rate has gone up in Chicago.
P2 In the past 20 the internet speeds have gone up in Chicago.
C Therefore, raising internet speeds causes murder.

Or, more intriguingly, that murders cause Internet speeds to rise. Correlation is symmetric.  

Damn it. My internet is slow so I guess I have to get the axe out and kill a few more people.

Harris, you arent related to that guy who wrote a book about kissing dating goodbye are you? I think his last name was Harris

(May 16, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Harris Wrote:

(May 13, 2015 at 2:41 pm)TRJF Wrote: Of course, the bolded never happens, so...

Sorry, I'm just being snarky.  That's another one of our defense mechanisms.

Additionally, I will point out that... well... you and Harris might have very different conceptions of the "White Throne."  We atheists will get pwn'd for denying teleology, and Harris will get pwn'd for denying Jesus.

Or maybe you'll get pwn'd for denying Muhammad.

(Noting how many incompatible religions exist, and that the arguments for each of them are always the same - that's another of our strategies)

I know I know you are a tiny subversive transgressor of constituted order, a protohuman cheerleader for indignant humanity.

This might be a big coincidence, but I actually have the bolded embroidered on my throw pillows...

(May 16, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Harris Wrote:

(May 13, 2015 at 3:03 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Show me one thing that supports the notion of a god, that cannot be explained by more mundane things which might themselves need explanation, that doesn't have its basis in crusty mythology. That's all I ask. The stone in my shoe is capable of proving its existence. Why can't a god?

The stone in your shoe is your own conscious experience, which you feel but cannot show. First, display your senses, which should be perceivable and after that ask me about God.

I can rely on my senses, generally speaking, because they relay consistent data. A stone in my shoe will feel like a stone and not, say, a slug. In fact, the moment my senses start giving conflicting data is the moment I am aware that something is wrong.

But more than that, I can examine the stone, weigh it, measure it. I may even remember where I was when it got into my shoe. I can give it to someone else who can verify it independently. They might subject it to chemical and spectroscopic analysis, so as to determine what minerals it's made from; maybe even its age. It might be found to be a meteorite, something not readily apparent to the untrained eye at first glance.

So there's quite a lot we can do to discern the truth, be it stones or anything else, and have those results confirmed independently. Show me one single instance of a god meeting these same criteria and surviving analysis as a simple stone.

(May 16, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Harris Wrote:

(May 15, 2015 at 11:52 am)Stimbo Wrote: And what have we learned?

Make appeasement to me in the form of human sacrifice and if it pleases me, I increase your Internet speed. The figures prove it - what can't speak, can't lie.

Atheism is about 3000 years old and yet atheists are only 2% of the world population after passing of 3000 years. Are you able to see the hidden truth in these figures (what cannot speak, cannot lie) or you need some assistance in order to understand them?

Argument from popularity and completely irrelevant.

(May 16, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Harris Wrote:

(May 15, 2015 at 1:58 pm)Stimbo Wrote: That loser. No wonder his dad kicked him out.

Arrogance is the hallmark of atheism.

Irony is the hallmark of theism.

Quote:I had given sufficient logical evidences that universe cannot be the product of:


1. Nothingness
2. Accident and 
3. Chance

I thought you were trying to offer a proof of god.....when is that forthcoming?  Meh, in the meantime, who says the universe is the product of "nothing, accident, or chance" anyway?

-additionally, you probably ought to do just the bare minimum research into NS before you opine so confidently about it, you've gone full retard, up there...in that regard.  Could your statement be parsed so as to embarrass the shit out of you?  Yeah, it could (assuming you have shame....which might be an assumption too far.....)...but there's no need.....because no amount of claiming "the other guy's wrong" will advance your own position.  


Lets try this:

-Evolution never happened, all of our explanations for the origin of life and this planet, even this universe are all 100% wrong.  Now, kindly demonstrate that -your god explanation- is correct?

I'll take the false dichotomy daily double, and get me some nachos.

(May 17, 2015 at 7:31 am)Rhythm Wrote:

Quote:I had given sufficient logical evidences that universe cannot be the product of:


1. Nothingness
2. Accident and 
3. Chance

I thought you were trying to offer a proof of god.....when is that forthcoming?  

Yeah, they say a picture is worth a thousand words.  However, it's clear that a thousand words aren't necessarily worth a picture-- unless it's this one: